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Twisted Logic, Twisted People, and the Same Old Gay-Bashing Song: Part I
Sunday, 17 May 2009 17:25
by Mel Seesholtz
You really have to wonder about the leaders of the so-called “Christian”* Right and their political sycophants. They continue to use the same hackneyed rhetoric, propagate the same bogus stereotypes, and repeat the same outright lies. Perhaps they’re just, as Frank Rich suggested in his New York Times OpEd, “brain dead.”

Whenever a court rules in favor of constitutionally guaranteed civil equality, they trot out the “activist judge” mantra. The “Christian” Right loves to call itself “pro-family,” while working diligently to shatter “traditional families” when one of the kids announces s/he is gay… even if it’s their own family: example one, example two. And they’re absolutely tireless in their efforts to stigmatize and hurt gay families – both parents and children – in any and every way possible. Is that “pro-family”?

Recently they’ve altered their rhetoric. Now they’re also claiming to be “pro-marriage.” No they’re not. They want to prevent monogamous, loving couples who believe in the institution of marriage from marrying. They’re anti-marriage.

As for using lies to propagate bogus stereotypes, Miss California’s church is exemplary. According to Rock Church’s website:

Today’s society tries to teach us that morals are all relative that there are no absolute moral laws but this is not only wrong but a very dangerous way of thinking. For not only does God's Word tell us what is right and what is wrong …

Consequences of a Homosexual Lifestyle

God’s Word tells us differently and He provides us of the evidence that homosexuality is not natural or normal. There are physiological repercussions from homosexual behavior; male homosexuals are 430 times more likely to contract HIV than a heterosexual, while heterosexuals have a 1-in-750,000 chance of contracting the virus responsible for HIV, a male homosexual has a 1-in-165 chance of getting HIV. A 20 year old gay male has a 30% chance of either dying or contracting AIDS before the age of 30. They are also 23 times more likely to get other sexually transmitted diseases than a heterosexual.

There are also moral repercussions stemming from homosexual behavior as evidenced by the fact that one third of all sexual crimes against children are committed by homosexuals even though they are representative of only one percent of the population. Pedophilia has even been called central to the gay lifestyle. …

Emotionally people suffer from homosexuality. Gays are five times more likely to commit suicide than a straight person. They are suffering depression because of God's judgment and their alienation from Him. So God not only tells us what is right and wrong but that by continually doing what is wrong there will be consequences and this is all evident to us so we have no excuse in suppressing the truth.

“God’s Word tells us what is right and what is wrong.” Really? What about all those passages in Leviticus and Deuteronomy about stoning people who wear clothing made of two different threads or who work on the Sabbath. And then there are those other fun parts of “God’s word” that sanction selling one’s daughter into slavery, killing disobedient children, and stoning to death non-virgin brides.

If “God’s word” changes with the New Testament, how come Jesus never said anything about homosexuality or gay people? He did, of course, champion the marginalized and disenfranchised, which is exactly the status in which the “Christian” Right wants to entomb gay people.

As for those unsupported, undocumented (and patently ridiculous) “facts” and statistics in Rock Church’s “Consequences of a Homosexual Lifestyle” tirade, they reek ofdiscredited “psychologist” Paul Cameron.

In his article “The Fabulist: Anti-gay researcher Paul Cameron’s falsehoods are well known. The incredible thing is the people who still cite them,” David Holthouse noted that “religious right action groups including Focus on the Family, the American Family Association, the Family Research Council and the Traditional Values Coalition promote Cameron’s statistics on their Web sites.” Cameron’s unscientific, unethical “research” is constantly being exposed, yet these “Christian” organizations keep citing it as gospel truth. Can you spell “intentional deception”?

The man the “Christian” Right seems to hold in such high regard has long had a “final solution” to the “gay problem”:

At the 1985 Conservative Political Action Conference, [Paul] Cameron announced to the attendees, “Unless we get medically lucky, in three or four years, one of the options discussed will be the extermination of homosexuals.” According to an interview with former Surgeon General C. Everett Koop, Cameron was recommending the extermination option as early as 1983.

– Mark E. Pietrzyk, News-Telegraph, March 10, 1995.


In some places such recommendations are taken seriously… with horrific results:

Iraqi Gays Face Gruesome Torture/ Murder Technique
By: DOUG IRELAND
04/30/2009

As the murder campaign targeting Iraqi gays intensifies, a leading Arabic television network last week revealed the use of a horrifying new form of lethal torture against Iraqi gay men - anti-gay Shiite death squads are sealing their anuses with a powerful glue, then inducing diarrhea, which leads to a painful and agonizing death. The use of this stomach-turning new torture was first reported by the Al Arabiya network, which is headquartered in the United Arab Emirates and was alerted to the story by a leading Iraqi feminist and human rights activist.

Rock Church claimed “Gays are five times more likely to commit suicide than a straight person. They are suffering depression because of God’s judgment and their alienation from Him.” Gays do have a higher incidence of alcoholism, drug abuse, and suicide – especially among vulnerable gay teens – but it’s not because of “God’s judgment.” It’s due largely to the demeaning, hateful rhetoric used by people like Paul Cameron, James Dobson (Focus on the Family), Louis Sheldon (Traditional Values Coalition), Don Wildmon (American Family Association), Tony Perkins (Family Research Council) and the rest of the leaders of the “Christian” Right, including Miss California’s Rock Church.

Do you think that if you were constantly denigrated, harassed and made fun of, constantly on guard against violent attacks, called “a freak of nature,” “evil,” “an abomination to God” and “a threat to the state and society” by religious and political leaders, denied employment or housing, forced by a discriminatory society to live life “in the closet,” saw signs that read “God Hates Gays” and “Fags Die, God Laughs,” and had people calling for your murder that you too might develop some “problems”?

Dr. Gary Cohan’s March 12, 2004 article on Advocate.com made the clinical point:

After 20 years of practicing medicine in the gay community, I can report that many diseases and most self-destructive behaviors are tied to low self-esteem. Alienation from families, shame, social isolation, hate-fueled violence, and being called “faggot” does so much damage to the young psyche that many of my adult patients now struggle with the tragic aftermath: depression, substance use, and sexual compulsivity to fill the emotional void.

Glenda M. Russell, Senior Research Associate and Acting Executive Director at the Institute for Gay and Lesbian Strategic Studies in Amherst, Massachusetts, also noted the same implications in her recent article “The Dangers of a Same-Sex Marriage Referendum for Community and Individual Well-Being: A Summary of Research Findings”:

When a particular group is the subject of political debate, group members often exhibit a variety of negative outcomes including anxiety, depression, alienation, fear, and anger. In the case of the debate over same-sex marriage, these consequences will be most strongly experienced by lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender people; by children in LGBT families; and by LGBT people’s extended family members and friends. As the referendum polarizes people, LGBT citizens become fearful and their children often encounter ridicule at school.

As for “Miss California” and her new found fame with anti-equality (and anti-marriage) groups such as National Organization for Marriage:

Miss Universe to anti-gay group: Stop using Carrie Prejean pageant footage

TMZ reports that Miss Universe Organization has sent a cease-and-desist letter to the National Organization for Marriage.
Seems the Miss Universe organizers are not too thrilled with NOM using footage from the Miss USA 2009 pageant in an anti-gay marriage commercial.

And then came this:

Miss California officials bypass no-show title holder
12:01 PM | May 11, 2009

Carrie Prejean, the controversial Miss California, was neither fired nor embraced today by local pageant officials. Instead, frustrated officials said at a news conference in Beverly Hills that they would simply circumvent her and appoint first runner-up Tami Farrell as “our official Beauty of California ambassador.” …

Pageant officials said they would be willing to work with Carrie Prejean, but every time they reach out to her, they are confronted by an army of her handlers and haven’t been able to talk with her.

“Up to now, it’s been very difficult to get in touch with her,” said Shanna Moakler, executive director of the California pageant.

Perhaps Ms. Moakler should have tried contacting Prejean via NOM, which has another new spokesman and board member:

Orson Scott Card, author of the popular sci-fi novel Ender’s Game, has joined the board of the National Organization for Marriage. …

We think that Card, who turned into a reactionary crank somewhere along the way, will be a good fit for NOM. …

Last July in the Mormon Times he appeared to advocate overthrowing the government if [California’s] Prop 8 failed:

“How long before married people answer the dictators thus: Regardless of law, marriage has only one definition, and any government that attempts to change it is my mortal enemy. I will act to destroy that government and bring it down, so it can be replaced with a government that will respect and support marriage, and help me raise my children in a society where they will expect to marry in their turn. […] American government cannot fight against marriage and hope to endure. If the Constitution is defined in such a way as to destroy the privileged position of marriage, it is that insane Constitution, not marriage, that will die.”

Twisted logic, twisted people.

To be continued…

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Punisher said:

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Mel: If “God’s word” changes with the New Testament, how come Jesus never said anything about homosexuality or gay people?

Me: Jesus also never said anything about rape, incest and kidnapping to sell someone into slavery, all those by the way sins punishable by death. So by your logic, Jesus did not condemn these sins, as well.

I tell you why He did not mention homosexuality. It is because there was no controversy whether it was sin or not, and His teachings that do dealt with God's law showed us it is not just the action, but the heart's desire for it, that is sin. He spoke of examples as in murder and adultery, and expanded that to hate and lust.

And the gospels are not the only books in the New Testament. Paul did mention homosexuality as sin in Romans 1 and 1 Corinthians.

And yes, the New Testament is a change from the Old Testament. Two different covenants, the old and the new. Certain aspects like the sabbath are abrogated per passages like Colossians 2:16. Certain aspects like the moral aspect, like against murder, adultery, etc., are retained.

Mel: He did, of course, champion the marginalized and disenfranchised, which is exactly the status in which the “Christian” Right wants to entomb gay people.

Me: Nice slander against the Christian right. But if you want to equate opposition to gay marriage as such, then you might like to listen in to what Jesus actually said.

He also said several times marriage is between man and woman. Or did you forget that part?

Matthew 19
4"Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,'[a] 5and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'? 6So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."

Mark 10
6"But at the beginning of creation God 'made them male and female.'[a] 7'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, 8and the two will become one flesh.'[c] So they are no longer two, but one. 9Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."

And you forget those He "championed" He also did not leave them in their sins but told them to repent lest they perish:

Matthew 11
20Then Jesus began to denounce the cities in which most of his miracles had been performed, because they did not repent. 21"Woe to you, Korazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! If the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. 22But I tell you, it will be more bearable for Tyre and Sidon on the day of judgment than for you. 23And you, Capernaum, will you be lifted up to the skies? No, you will go down to the depths.[d] If the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Sodom, it would have remained to this day. 24But I tell you that it will be more bearable for Sodom on the day of judgment than for you."

Luke 13
1Now there were some present at that time who told Jesus about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mixed with their sacrifices. 2Jesus answered, "Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans because they suffered this way? 3I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish. 4Or those eighteen who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them—do you think they were more guilty than all the others living in Jerusalem? 5I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish."

John 8
11"No one, sir," she said.
"Then neither do I condemn you," Jesus declared. "Go now and leave your life of sin."



Jesus does not support your view that gay marriage is exceptable. His definition of marriage is strictly between man and woman. And He invited people to Him. That invitation always involved repentance.

And that's funny you compare Christians here with those of Iran. Last I check Christian conservatives are not in favor of laws of torture and execution against gays.

You are better off comparing Iran with the founding fathers. After all, Jefferson, as did others, wrote laws against homosexuality and other sexual sins proscribing things like castration. Yeah, that's nuts. But my point is that in the eyes of all the founders, rights to be gay and be married as gays is not constitutional right, given they saw that as sins both against God and society.
 
May 18, 2009
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Prana said:

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Mel...I enjoyed the article and the response above from Punisher, as it highlights the fundamental problems in the whole debate regarding gay rights, same sex marriage or the existence of homosexuality generally. Those fundamental problems sadly mean that it is highly unlikely that there will ever be agreeement, or even tolerance of opposing points of view between people on both sides of the argument. I have outlined below those 2 fundamental problems: -

1. Without the ability and scientific evidence to prove definitively, once and for all, that sexual orientation is, in the main, pre-determined, unchangeable and probably the product of a number of interacting biological, genetic and environmental factors, then it will always allow those opposed to equality for LGBT people to state it is a choice. If they believe (and I do think that some people do still genuinely believe) it is a choice, as opposed to an integral part of your makeup as a human being, then they will always be able to call that choice wrong, or in the case of those who follw certain religious doctrines, a sin.

2. As long as there are people who hold a dogmatic religious view that supports a LITERAL interpretation of the scriptures and / or holy book (of whatever religious denomination) you are highly unlikely to change their perspective.

Get over these two fundamental hurdles (and I hope ferevently that in my lifetime we will), and then we can have an reasonable, adult and considered debate on the issues, not based upon religous doctrine, or the fear of change and without the unfounded hysteria. We should debate the issues for what they are, human rights issues, irrespective of age, race, gender, religion, sexual orientation or economic status. It is time for the human race to grow up, act its age, and continue its journey into the daylight, forever leaving behind the unsupportable, illogical, dogmatic and divisive attitudes of the past.
 
May 18, 2009
Votes: +1

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