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9/11 Truth Manifesto
Saturday, 22 December 2007 00:14
by Joel S. Hirschhorn

A former full professor of engineering at the University of Wisconsin, Madison, and then senior official with the Congressional Office of Technology Assessment and the National Governors Association, Joel S. Hirschhorn is now an activist writer and can be reached through www.delusionaldemocracy.com. This article is based on presentations given at a recent conference sponsored by Boston 9/11 Truth.

For evidence that America’s political system is a criminal conspiracy, open your mind to piles of new analyses that prove beyond doubt that the official 9/11 story is a lie. Years of a bipartisan cover-up of 9/11 lies make it much more than one horrendous past event. It endures in infamy as a symptom of a corrupt and dishonest government.

Every day we pay for what 9/11 and its cover-up have burdened us with, including the costly Iraq war and the erosion of the rule of law and constitutional rights. Power elites have suppressed the truth because they fear what will happen when the public understands that 9/11 was not accomplished solely by foreign terrorists.

Technically sound analyses of what happened at the World Trade Center have unequivocally shown that the official 9/11 story is not credible (www.ae911truth.org). Truth seekers have met their burden of proof; the government has not met theirs. Simply put, controlled demolition brought down three buildings, not fires from the impact of planes on two of them. Not only was the US government involved, it has also conspired to hide the truth from the public. Why? Republican and Democratic politicians and power elites fear that 9/11 truth will remove what little public trust remains in government. The truth will produce political instability, perhaps breaking the two-party stranglehold on our political system. And it should. And it must, if we are to finally obtain the deep political reforms our nation desperately needs.

The decline started before George W. Bush and his criminal co-conspirators accelerated it with their blatant disregard for the rule of law and our Constitution. It will continue, even with a Democratic administration, unless we reform our political system. We must remind Americans that our nation was born in an insurrectionist, populist rebellion against political tyranny – and that 9/11 teaches us that we need a Second American Revolution. We must destroy the domestic Axis of Arrogance of our plutocracy more than fear a foreign Axis of Evil. How?

A vast nationwide grassroots 9/11 truth movement is ignored by the mainstream news media. Its success will be the catalyst for renewing American democracy. It will produce a shock wave that rattles the brains of all Americans: Shock therapy from a truth so powerful and unsettling that Americans finally see the decline of American democracy that allowed 9/11 and its cover-up.

Make no mistake, the 9/11 truth movement holds the future of the United States. We are not subversive “conspiracy theorists” or enablers of foreign terrorism. We are patriotic warriors working to nullify group delusion produced by government propaganda. Dozens of books and websites reveal countless technical contradictions and inconsistencies with the official government 9/11 story and the laws of physics. The weight of the evidence supports one painful verdict: Our federal government played a role, probably through a large “black op.” The “why” is obvious: To justify an unjust war to serve corporate interests and greed.

Here is our opportunity: To make 9/11 the tipping point for American democracy renewal. Our enemies fear that if this movement succeeds, their plutocratic, elitist cabal – the Axis of Arrogance – run by the two-party duopoly will collapse. Corruption keeps our political system stable – truth must clean it up. Instability is the necessary price for restoring democracy.

A Paradigm Shift

9/11 lies have sustained the ruling terrorism-threat paradigm. 9/11 truth must energize a new political-reform paradigm. Patriotism framed as defending the nation against terrorism must be replaced by patriotism focused on repairing American democracy.

Already, status quo protectionists lie about us to defeat our movement. Things will get worse as our movement draws closer to bringing down the corrupt political system. And we are getting closer. Only 16 percent of Americans believe that members of the Bush administration are telling the truth about what they knew about terrorist attacks on the US prior to 9/11, according to a New York Times/CBS News poll. But what people say in polls is not the same as coming out publicly and vociferously for 9/11 truth, or seeing the roots of 9/11 in the decay of American democracy, not merely the actions of a few evil people.

The deceived public must be re-educated to see the arrogant power elites running our national plutocracy as worse than radical Islamic terrorists. Paul Craig Roberts captured the essence of the problem: “Americans think their danger is terrorists. They don't understand the terrorists cannot take away habeas corpus, the Bill of Rights, the Constitution. ... The terrorists are not anything like the threat that we face to the Bill of Rights and the Constitution from our own government in the name of fighting terrorism. Americans just aren't able to perceive that.”

9/11 is a history lesson to inform the nation about democracy decline. As John McMurtry asked, “So which goes - the faith in America’s greatness and goodness in the world, or the facts which disclose the opposite at the very top?” We must always remember that Americans are better than their government. They do not get the government they deserve. They get the government that the rich and powerful impose. That must end.

We confront more than power elites. There is psychological resistance of millions of Americans to painful 9/11 truth – a shameful, “unthinkable” truth about their elected government. Even if they have doubts about the official story, they instinctively recoil and erect mental barriers to block out the full truth. They want to keep believing that they live in a great democracy. They want to believe that when the Bush administration is replaced our democracy will be in good shape again. Hard to accept that 9/11 truth could not have been suppressed this long without the tacit or explicit approval of Democratic politicians and power brokers.

It is as if we are telling children that their parents are mass murderers. Distracted, time-poor, depressed, political disengaged, cynical and insecure Americans do not want to hear that their government had a hand in 9/11. That for years their two-party-controlled government has blatantly lied to them. That thousands of good Americans have died and been terribly injured in a war propped up by the false-flag 9/11 fiction. In sum, that despite elections a vast criminal conspiracy has been so successful for so long. Such thoughts hurt.

Also, political instability is scary to ordinary Americans. But stability based on corruption and lies is destructive. Only when Americans see 9/11 as a political attack (by Americans on Americans) – not solely a terrorist attack (by foreigners on Americans) – will they understand that revealing 9/11 truth must lead to major political reforms. Instability is the cost of democracy renewal.

Here are powerful messages: The collapse of the rule of law is more important than the collapse of buildings. Countless more have died because of 9/11 than on 9/11. The events of 9/11 ultimately are less important than the reasons for and consequences of 9/11.

As John McMurtry said, “[9/11] allowed an illegitimate administration to transmute into America’s patriotic champion at war - above accountability and the rule of law. ‘Defending America from another terrorist attack’ became a political blank check for corporate corruption of government expenditures with impunity, war criminal acts and threats across the Islamic and alternative third world, and attacks on civil rights and commons at home.” All this persists as 9/11 lies persist.

Despite record-low levels of public trust in Congress and the president, too many Americans still believe that elections are the path to major political reforms. Despite a solid history of campaign lies from politicians, and overwhelming belief that the nation is on the wrong track, Americans keep hoping that they can vote their way into a better future. Most Americans do not have a Boston Tea Party mentality. They are unready to revolt despite revolting conditions. Our truth movement must help Americans accept painful truth and its political fallout. We must put all the technical truth discovered by reputable scientists and engineers to work for systemic reforms.

We must do more than oust the official story and obtain a new 9/11 investigation that now has wide support by hundreds of respected Americans (www.patriotsquestion911.com). We must guide Americans into a more patriotic and courageous mental state. We must help Americans become outraged and rebellious, yet also optimistic about major political reforms.

Political Strategy

Success against the power elites running and ruining our nation requires building an army of Americans openly revolting against the two-party corporatist state now in control. The 9/11 truth movement must use political strategies to defeat the status quo political establishment. Here are three actions.

First, with detailed technical analyses unequivocally proving that the official story is false, the movement can draft a bill that might be titled The 9/11 Truth Act of 2008. This proposed federal legislation should be delivered to every member of the House and Senate early next year. It would clarify the investigation: What its scope and objectives must be. What reliable entity, public or private or a combination, must be used. How the public must be given opportunities to present information. What resources must be provided and what time frame must be adhered to.

We must take the initiative and specify exactly what kind of new official 9/11 investigation is necessary, recognizing that professionals in the truth movement have limited resources and cannot address all questions. The 9/11 truth movement itself must define exactly what the first real credible and comprehensive government sponsored investigation must consist of. We can have no confidence in anything that the political establishment might devise to silence our movement. We must tell the public, the media and the political world what is required to reveal the total truth as to what caused, for example, the collapse of three World Trade Center buildings, especially building 7 not even hit by a plane.

Developing and submitting this legislation must then be followed up by all 9/11 groups urging their supporters to bombard Congress with demands for hearings and passage of the bill. This is the way to engage more Americans politically to obtain full 9/11 truth.

However, few politicians’ comments support the truth movement. A rare statement came from presidential candidate Ron Paul. In a radio interview in January, 2007 he said that the 9/11 investigations to date are “more or less cover-up and no real explanation of what went on.” However, later in the year when he became more visible he was asked about the possibility of the official story being orchestrated by the government. He said emphatically “absolutely not.” In another interview, when asked whether he thought 9/11 was an inside job that our government made happen, he responded forcefully “No.” So apparently Paul sees a cover-up but not about the involvement of our government. Would he support legislation for a new investigation?

Thus the second critical political action is this: Proclaim that only politicians that actively support passage of our legislation will earn support in the 2008 elections from the millions of Americans doubting the official 9/11 story. This threat is an absolute necessity. If the legislation is not passed by Congress and signed into law by President Bush, then we must aggressively support a boycott on voting for all Democrats and Republicans in the 2008 federal elections.

Third, all those committed to 9/11 truth should honor what the Founders gave us in our Constitution in case some day Americans lost confidence in the federal government, especially in Congress. That day has arrived. 9/11 was that day. They gave us the option in Article V for a convention of state delegates to propose constitutional amendments. We must see SYSTEM reforms as only achievable through constitutional amendments that Congress will never propose nor achieve through normal legislation.

Congress and the entire elitist political establishment have intentionally denied us a convention for over 200 years. The one and only requirement in Article V has more than been satisfied by over 500 state applications from all 50 states. Enough is enough. Our truth movement should join the effort of Friends of the Article V Convention at www.foavc.org by urging truth group members to join FOAVC. The political establishment fears both 9/11 truth and an Article V convention. We must grasp that 9/11 truth can bring us to the brink of political reforms and the convention is the process to obtain them.

Conclusion

The 9/11 truth movement must also be a political movement – but not in any partisan sense. 9/11 truth can help Americans take back their country. 9/11 truth can end the criminal, corrupt and conniving plutocracy that stole our government and mutilated our democracy.

We must transform 9/11 from a catalyzing event for imperialistic war-mongering to one for democracy renewal. We must convert terrorist-transfixed fear into political reform enthusiasm.

The pursuit of truth is not always the pursuit of happiness – not when the truth hurts. The 9/11 truth movement is not about finding immediate happiness. It is about rebooting American democracy and, after accomplishing that, earning happiness.

A former full professor of engineering at the University of Wisconsin, Madison, and then senior official with the Congressional Office of Technology Assessment and the National Governors Association, Joel S. Hirschhorn is now an activist writer and can be reached through www.delusionaldemocracy.com. This article is based on presentations given at a recent conference sponsored by Boston 9/11 Truth.
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me said:

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ok that's not going to work but you are truly a Honorable Man
ha ha you made me laugh thinking we can accomplish anything on capitol hill through politicians. sit down my son, they don't read the bills they pass into law, judiciary chairman (if you can call him a man) john cowardyers said it himself on tape! which i feel should be evidence in his future treason trial, but what i'm trying to say is give up the political course of action because it's non-existent and trust in Dr. Paul because he knows what he's doing and he said that he does not advocate violence (and neither do I) but peaceful civil disobedience is constitutionally called for in such times. so may i make a suggestion as to informing you just exactly who it is that pays the politicians salaries and might i remind to you sir what any level headed manager does when his employee no longer does his job, maybe perhaps he doesn't give him anymore money for not doing his job much less for the murder of innocent people domestic and abroad in your name! it's all up to you nudge nudge wink wink
 
December 21, 2007
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DIYer said:

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How do you keep the foxes out of the chickenhouse?
If we have this article V convention, how do you keep it from being lobbied / dominated / run, by the same plutocrats you rail against? Not that I'm unsympathetic to your cause but this is the era of bought- and paid-for politics, brought to you by GE, Disney, Exxon, ADM, Philip Morris, etc etc etc...
 
December 22, 2007
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CognitiveDissonance said:

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I agree that what we've been told about 9/11 most definitely is not the truth, and that the truth will probably never come out if we have to rely on the current crop of officeholders.

But that's exactly why your political actions won't work - they depend on a Congress that will do its job, that won't be filibustered, and a President who will actually sign your bill. Good luck! How many millions of people have been out marching and doing everything possible to get this war ended? It hasn't changed things an iota. So even if you get your millions, that won't change anything on Capital Hill.
 
December 24, 2007
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Anonymous said:

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What if
What if we get billions? What if we make it bigger than politics? What if we make it an economic issue? What will it take? You name it. It can be done.

No media organization, no matter the size, is more influential than this devoted informed mass distributed movement. All we have to do is start posting our thoughts on YouTube every day, start chatting about it like its the only political issue, the groundswell of support would be overwhelming. Anyone want to bet on it? smilies/wink.gif
 
December 24, 2007
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Roark said:

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Steaming piles
For evidence that America’s political system is a criminal conspiracy, open your mind to piles of new analyses that prove beyond doubt that the official 9/11 story is a lie.


I'll agree that there are piles of something associated with the 9/11 truther movement. However, calling the piles "new analyses" won't change the fact that all they are good for is making the grass grow greener.
 
December 26, 2007
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Roark said:

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Manifesto plank
The deceived public must be re-educated to see the arrogant power elites running our national plutocracy as worse than radical Islamic terrorists.


And once the 9/11 truth movment has seized political power, they can transform all the FEMA concentration camps into "re-education centers" for those Americans who refuse to accept reality as preached by the truther gospel.

I'm sure that the you will have no problem recruiting radical islamic fundamentalists to work as guards.
 
December 26, 2007
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Roark said:

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I fixed some spelling errors
We are pathetic weekend warriors working to validate group delusion produced by internet propaganda.


There, I fixed that sentance for you.
 
December 26, 2007
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Roark said:

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Nope
Nope, you have not mey any burden of proof. In 6 years since 9/11 the truthers have consistently failied to prodiuce any proof that "controlled demolition brought down three buildings, not fires from the impact of planes on two of them."

Hundreds, if not thousands, of qualified, independent structural engineers and scientists have examined the building collapses and have agreed on the basic casues behind them. That is your problem, Joel, There isn't a "government version." There is a version that has been peer reviewed and vetted by the engineering community at large.
 
December 26, 2007
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Roark said:

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Laws of Physics
Joel, you state:

Dozens of books and websites reveal countless technical contradictions and inconsistencies with the official government 9/11 story and the laws of physics.


Please explain how the Laws of Physics were "violated."

 
December 26, 2007
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Roark said:

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Laws of Physics part 2
It seems to me that if you compile data on an event and that data appears to violate the laws of physics, isn't the most likely explanation simply that your data is faulty?

You claim that the data that the truthers have indicates that the collapses violated the laws of physics. How is that so? How can any event violate the laws of physics?

The laws of physics are immutable, therefore why should anyone beleive you when you claim that they were broken?
 
December 26, 2007
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Newton said:

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laws of physics is the red flag of false information of 9/11 truth fictional BS
When you hear this rant from purportedly smart people and they use the "law of physics" junk; You have found pure stupid on 9/11. Pathetic CT world rant disguised as intelligent comments; how many dim witted fools fall for this tripe? How do these guys keep jobs when the can not get 9/11 near reality, and have such poor research and general knowledge on any 9/11 subject? Compartmentalization?

All the proof you need of his being a nut case on 9/11 are his own words, "contradictions and inconsistencies with … the laws of physics". Nut case! Wow for most rational people it is this easy to see the liars and pushers of lies on 9/11. No facts just junk.
 
December 26, 2007
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from the article author said:

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There is no substitute for sincere effort and open mindedness
None of the comments here indicate that people have sincerely examined the many materials on the websites I gave in the article. An honest, intelligent and open minded person must spend considerable hours examining the evidence, as I and many thousands of others have done. What I see in the comments is a chronic lack of good informaton. By the way, it is the official story of WTC that is inconsistent with the laws of physics. If you are too stupid, too brainwashed and too afraid then you will keep supporting the corrupt political system and its BS about 9/11. Spend some time at www.patriotsquestion911.com and ask yourself how so many credible, smart and well known people could reject the official story, unless there was a mountain of evidence undermining the official story. Or stay lazy and bamboozled by the government.
 
December 26, 2007
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Roark said:

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Socialism?
We must always remember that Americans are better than their government. They do not get the government they deserve. They get the government that the rich and powerful impose. That must end.


Joel, you are a leftover pinko from the 60's

Grow up.

The day the Berlin wall fell is the day that your belief system hit the dumpster.
 
December 26, 2007
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Roark said:

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Ron Paul
However, few politicians’ comments support the truth movement. A rare statement came from presidential candidate Ron Paul. In a radio interview in January, 2007 he said that the 9/11 investigations to date are “more or less cover-up and no real explanation of what went on.” However, later in the year when he became more visible he was asked about the possibility of the official story being orchestrated by the government. He said emphatically “absolutely not.” In another interview, when asked whether he thought 9/11 was an inside job that our government made happen, he responded forcefully “No.” So apparently Paul sees a cover-up but not about the involvement of our government. Would he support legislation for a new investigation?


The other option is that Ron Paul is an idiot that will say anything to get noticed.

 
December 26, 2007
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Anonymous mechanical engineer said:

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The laws of physics weren't broken during the event. The present government explanation of the collapse being caused by aircraft impact damage and fire doesn't conform to the laws of physics. The buildings had a large factor of safety of at least 3:00 to 1 on the core columns and 5:00 to 1 on the perimeter columns, the slenderness ratio of the columns was designed to eliminate buckling as an earlier failure mode than compressive yielding. No more than 15 to 20% of the columns were severed or severely damaged, the jet fuel would have been dispersed in a thin film over several floors and was gone in minutes, and there is no physical evidence of high steel temperatures. Yet we are supposed to believe the fire caused them to collapse right through themselves at near freefall speed, without explosives. You need a huge dynamic load to even start a process like that and failure via fire would have been a slow, protracted process. That isn't what was observed though. All three collapses that day were sudden which can only happen if a large number of critical structural components are suddenly removed simultaneously. This usually only happens in buildings when explosives are used.
 
December 26, 2007
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Newton said:

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cool, all those facts spewing from your smart guys must be why 99.999 percent of all engineer find your ideas on 9/11 to be pure JUNK
Funny stuff! "" If you are too stupid, too brainwashed and too afraid then you will keep supporting the corrupt political system and its BS about 9/11. Spend some time at www.patriotsquestion911.com and ask yourself how so many credible, smart and well known people could reject the official story, unless there was a mountain of evidence undermining the official story. "" Yes, by all means go see what a few people with delusions try to do, make up lies about 9/11!
The facts are 99.999 percent of all engineers are not in 9/11 truth and see 9/11 truth as the liars they truly are. Anyone who is able to think rationally can go to your web site of fools on 9/11 and see how stupid people can be on one subject, yet considered smart. It really takes a dumb person to believe anything 9/11 truth says about 9/11. CT delusions after 6 years, guys who write articles like this would have a Pulitzer Prize if their ideas were backed with facts and evidence; 9/11 truth has failed to deliver rational ideas. Failure to present facts and your web page is a tribute to selective stupidity used to fool others!

This is not politics, it is an event, 9/11, your biased rant about the nut case ideas at www.patriotsquestion911.com is pathetic. I welcome rational humans to visit that web site to see for themselves how people who seem to be experts are nut cases on 9/11. See for yourself how a few people take 9/11 and twist the story to blame unknown people in our country. These smart people make up lies about 9/11 to support their political ends; who cares what the means are as they use Nixontonian lies to sway real dumb people to support their nut case ideas on 9/11. If only you had facts, you could share in the prize. Got facts!?
 
December 26, 2007
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Carroll Sanders said:

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How many spit balls did it take to demolish the buildings?
I mean I actually tested the explosives, RDX,and trinitrotoluenes, C4, thermate-thermite, nano thermate-nano thermite, even Ammonium perchlorate.

The only thing that actually work are the materials and metals that are there naturally, explosive gases formed in fires tend to well explode.
Falling buildings compressing air with friction and tend to heat gasses causing explosions.
Please tell me Dear Dr. Where I can find some of these explosive spit balls and I will test them too not a problem.
Thank you for your nicely written article.
Have a nice day, and a Happy New Year.
 
December 26, 2007
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Roark said:

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Anonymous mechanical engineer wrote:

the slenderness ratio of the columns was designed to eliminate buckling as an earlier failure mode than compressive yielding.


Oh, goody, you seem to be familiar with Euler’s law. That’s good. Now if the exterior columns were pinned in place by the floor truss/ slab system, what would happen if those slabs became disconnected from the exterior walls due to impact damage (as is clearly visible in several photographs of the buildings)?

In other words, let’s say that the critical buckling load of an exterior column is X, and the length of the column from 1 floor to the next is L. If the floor slab on floor Z becomes disconnected so that it is no longer pinning the column in place, the effective length of the column will now be from floor Z-1 to Z 1, or 2L.

Are you following me so far?

Now, according to Euler’s law, if all other factors remain equal, doubling the length of a column reduces the critical buckling load by 75%, or to one quarter of its original value. That is because Eulers’ law is an inverse square law. So, if two adjacent floors were disconnected or damaged so that they were no longer providing lateral resistance to buckling, the effective length would be 3L and the critical buckling load would be reduced to about 11% of its original value.

Now what if instead of just becoming disconnected, some of the floor slab trusses them selves began to fail, causing the floors to sag? This type of failure mode would occur quite rapidly if the fireproofing on the 1” diameter truss diagonals were dislodged or missing from the impact. Thus, not only have you lose the rigid pinning effect of the floor slabs, but you are also pulling inward on those same columns from the catenary effect of the sagging floor slab.

Photographs of both buildings clearly show the exterior walls bowing inward at the impact/fire floors just prior to both collapses.

How is this in violation of physics or the principles of engineering?


 
December 27, 2007
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Roark said:

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Jet fuel
Anonymous mechanical engineer wrote:

the jet fuel would have been dispersed in a thin film over several floors and was gone in minutes


Let’s take a look at that statement, shall we?

the jet fuel would have been dispersed in a thin film over several floors


This is an unsupported claim.

Please look at what the Purdue researchers found when they modeled the behavior of the jet fuel during the impact. The notion that the fuel would have been dispersed in a thin film is somewhat simplistic on your part.

The second part of that statement: ”and was gone in minutes,” is also unsupported by any evidence. It is totally immaterial to the issue as well.

These were fully occupied and furnished office floors, filled with paper, plastic and other sources of fuel. Fire tests of these material indicates that enough energy is released by the combustion of these fuels to cause the thin floor truss diagonals to buckle and fail, allowing the floor slabs to sag downward and pull inward on the exterior wall.
 
December 27, 2007
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Roark said:

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more nonsense from a so-called engineer
More from the anonymous pseudo-engineer.

… we are supposed to believe the fire caused them to collapse right through themselves at near freefall speed, without explosives.


Yes, because that is the hallmark of a buckling type failure. Your argument is a classic example of the logical fallacy known as the argument from personal incredulity. In other words, you argue that because you don’t believe it, then it must not be true. Yet you fail to offer any alternative calculations to support your viewpoint.

You need a huge dynamic load to even start a process like that


You claim to be an engineer, why don’t you tell us. How much force is exerted by a given mass, let’s say 1 ton, falling 3 meters.

failure via fire would have been a slow, protracted process. That isn't what was observed though.


So, are you claiming that the fact that the exterior walls started to bow inward 5 to 10 minutes before the collapse was not an observable part of a fire caused collapse? Why not?
 
December 27, 2007
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Roark said:

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To Joel
By the way, it is the official story of WTC that is inconsistent with the laws of physics.


Provide and example of this please, and not just another argument from personal incredulity. Thanks.


If you are too stupid, too brainwashed and too afraid then you will keep supporting the corrupt political system and its BS about 9/11.


My, what an arrogant, angry attitude you have. Tell me; is this a scientific issue or a political issue with you?

 
December 27, 2007
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Roark said:

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Another question for Joel
Joel, supposedly you have some background in metallurgy. Tell me then, based on your review of the available data regarding the so-called “evaporated” steel, is this a legitimate issue?

Or, is the hot corrosion effect observed on the steel members a reasonably expected result based on the fact that the steel was buried in the debris pile and exposed to the heat and combustion gasses of burning debris and high sulfur diesel fuel for several weeks.

Feel free to be as technical as you want in your explanation.
 
December 27, 2007
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Caleb said:

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Facts?
I have one question. Where did the energy come from to melt metal and cause 1100 C surface temperatures?

If, for any reason, that's not a valid question, please explain.
 
December 27, 2007
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Caleb said:

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Sorry, that's 1100 - 1300 F, 800 C.
 
December 27, 2007
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Troofers said:

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When are you going to publish?
I find it ammusing that troofers always publish outside the areas of their specialization. If you read an article written by a theologian, you are guaranteed to get an analysis on building collapses, but then oddly when you read an article by an actual scientist, it is nothing more than a criticism of the political environment and his intellectual opponents, with no regard for science.
 
December 27, 2007
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Roark said:

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Caleb
The WTC offices were filled with fuel. There was paper, plastic and wood furniture, cubicles, computer cases, carpeting, ect.

Even an ordinary house fire can exceed 1000 C.

http://www.doctorfire.com/flametmp.html

 
December 27, 2007
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kapoore said:

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Amazing... I can't believe that people still believe the "official story." And to those who say that "thousands" of engineers have reviewed the rubble of the Twin Towers and concluded that fire brought them down, I have to wonder about your source of information. The official story was backed up by NIST that as far as I can tell has backed down on every assertion in their peer reviewed report--peer reviewed by experts from the "truth movement," and in terms of the 9 11 Commission now even the leaders of that debacle are saying that they did not get good information. Not one individual has been tried and convicted of a 9 11 crime because all the confessions were obtained under torture, and then the tapes were destroyed. The majority of Americans no longer support the wars in Iraq and Afganistan because they apparently no longer believe in the reasons for going to war--Iraq was an obvious lie, and Osama bin Laden escaped in Bora Bora. Everyone now knows that the the wars were not to avenge 9 11 because no one is interested in getting Osama--if he is even alive at this point. In the meantime, America has become a militarized zone against Americans who are so distrustful of their government that I doubt Obama will be able to get support for anything. How do we know what the government will do with our money. Maybe they plan on raiding the health plan for another war either in Central America or Iran. In the meantime we are getting in trillions of dollars of debt that must be repaid to China, Russia, and so on. If we don't repay it what will they do to us? What will they demand to have--farm land, mineral rights, forests, water, coal deposits? No, everything goes back to 9 11, and sooner or later everyone will have to face the ugly truth that the OFFICIAL STORY was a bloody propaganda event to steal from our coffers for the purposes of the Empire. They did attack us because we were too free and too rich, but the "they" were the ones telling the story--the "they" was "them."
 
August 21, 2009
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