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Secede from the United States?
Friday, 28 September 2007 08:46
by Carolyn Baker

An Interview with Rob Williams of Vermont Commons

I recently caught up with Rob Williams, volunteer editor of VERMONT COMMONS which is the online voice of Vermont Independence. The organization has been working for some time to establish The Second Vermont Republic which is a peaceful, democratic, grassroots, libertarian populist movement opposed to the tyranny of the U.S. Government, corporate America, and globalization and committed to the return of Vermont to its rightful status as an independent republic, as it was between 1777 and 1791. More of the history of Vermont and the Independence movement can be read at the VT Commons website.

CB: Please explain the Vermont secessionist movement and why many Vermonters support it. Why do you support it? What do you think might happen to Vermont if secession does not happen?
RW: The Vermont secession impulse is born out of our understanding that the United States - once a great republic - has become an unsustainable Empire governed by a very few. Beyond massive (and bipartisan) national electoral fraud, 9/11's unanswered questions, a "war on terror" (that will not end, we are told, in our life times), the collapse of the U.S. Constitution, the erosion of civil liberties, and the practicing of "disaster capitalism" on a massive scale by political and economic elites, the U.S. is simply too big to function as a democratic republic in its current state. In other words, as astute observers from across the political spectrum have pointed out, the Empire is essentially ungovernable, unsustainable, and un-reformable.

We in the Vermont independence effort are a growing group of citizens who have moved beyond frustration with the current imperial system and are championing a more honest and hopeful paradigm - that of "small is beautiful" sustainability and, if need be, peaceable secession from the Empire, and the re-invention of Vermont as an independent republic, as it was from 1777 to 1791. Contrary to popular belief, New England was the first region of the country to openly call for secession - not once but several times - during the early 19th century, for similar reasons as our own in the 21st: concern about growing corporate and commercial power, and legitimate fears of a centralized federal/statist apparatus that trumps local decision-making and state sovereignty. Given expansive federal regulatory power over our food (USDA), our airwaves (FCC), our animals and livestock (NAIS), our educational endeavors (NCLB), and every other aspect of our lives, it makes sense to take a good hard look at some legitimate alternatives that exist as a forgotten part of the U.S. political tradition - this is what we are doing here at Vermont Commons newspaper.

While this is no small task, as a patriot and a secessionist both, I support Vermont independence (and indeed, the restoration of sovereignty for all states within this allegedly "indivisible" Union) because I think that peaceable secession is the only viable way to save what we so deeply appreciate about the ideals and values of our United States. And, without sounding too grandiose, secession may allow us to help sustain our civilization as a whole as we seek to "re-invent" our former republic-turned-Empire in the face of emerging "big picture" problems such as climate change, global peak oil, and the excesses of corporate globalization, what former Bush/Wall Street insider Catherine Austin Fitts calls the "tapeworm economy."
CB: What does a "sustainable" lifestyle mean to you? What percentage of Vermonters would you say are living this way?

RW: "Sustainability" can be one of those vague and meaningless buzz words that is often used without thought. To me, living "sustainably" means practicing pragmatic but careful stewardship of our spiritual, physical, and economic resources - which leads, of course, to a thousand thoughtful daily decisions about how we live our lives. Vermont has a long tradition of frugality, self-reliance, community support, and what we call "Yankee ingenuity" - we'll need all of these qualities in spades moving forward into this new century, which will look very different than the previous one.

And becoming more "sustainable" is a personal and collective process. Five years ago, my wife of fifteen years and I didn't own land, keep chickens, split, stack and heat our home with local wood, grow and store some of our own food, and press our own cider, and now we do - thanks to continued collaboration with friends and neighbors who are as interested in these same sorts of issues, and are intent on finding local solutions to big picture problems.
CB: How and where do you see re-localization happening in Vermont? Which areas of the state are more supportive of the concept?
RW: Vermonters are speaking out on climate change (witness the Step It Up campaign, born out of a 5 day collective walk on behalf of "taking action on climate change" one year ago here in Vermont); beginning to adapt new and more local agricultural and energy/food consumption habits (our exploding Localvore movement, for example); conserving land for agricultural spaces (our vibrant land trust movement); seeking "alternative" energy solutions to fossil fuels (the explosion of local solar and wind companies here), and generally beginning to engage in some collective head-scratching about how we might steer our civilization towards more sustainable paths. Every Vermonter I know has a garden and knows how to grow food. Regarding regions, every section of Vermont is working on these dilemmas in their own ways. In one sense, I feel like Vermonters are returning to their roots by reviving practice in self-reliance and "do it yourself"-ness.
CB: Can Vermont feed itself? There is much talk of this, but in a state where the ground is frozen 8 months out of the year, how can Vermonters make this happen?
RW: You need a good-sized root cellar to pull this off! But more and more Vermonters I know are rediscovering the satisfaction that comes with canning, pickling, and preserving; of raising chickens and other livestock; of growing their own food and supporting CSAs, farmer's markets, and farmers who are their neighbors. Specialty foods, many grown locally, are becoming a Vermont hallmark, as well. Once upon a time, one hundred years ago, Vermont proved much more self-sufficient then it is now. We have spent much time and energy these past few decades trying to preserve our family-owned dairy farms in the midst of a global dairy economy that milks them alive, while ignoring other agricultural needs - but we're getting savvier in this arena, as well.

And one cannot exist on maple syrup, milk and cheese, and apple cider alone - ultimately, we need some state leadership on diversifying our food economy, beyond our "Buy Local" campaign, and we are, of course, continually discovering the joys of trading with our neighbors, as well as remaining plugged into a global food network while we can.
CB: How are Vermonters changing their form and quantity of energy consumption? How feasible is solar energy in Vermont? What other forms of natural energy are being used? How widespread is this usage?
RW: We Vermonters live in the midst of interesting times for energy here - 2/3 of our state's electricity, for example, is generated by so-called "clean" non-carbon-emitting energy sources - Vermont Yankee Nuclear in the western portion of the state, and HydroQuebec, which owns the eastern border's Connecticut River dams projects. The problem here is that Vermonters ultimately don't have much say over the future of either of these out-of-state corporate energy sources, as "clean" as people perceive them to be in the short term. The state public service board, the legislature, and, to some extent, the governor's office have all made some strides towards renewable and "alternative" energy. I think, though that local Vermonters and businesses are ahead of the curve. I've got neighbors who are growing solar panels in their back yard, bringing in wood stoves for more biomass, conducting energy audits to make their homes and businesses much more efficient, and the like. And this is what it takes - let a thousand ideas and projects bloom here in the Green Mountains.

Big picture - as with sustainable agriculture, there are many ideas on the table re: energy - my current favorite is a proposal I just read suggesting that we plant 100,000 acres of switch grass across the state. Switchgrass is a relatively carbon-friendly and renewable form of biomass energy - which could theoretically replace the entire state's imported natural gas supply for heating our Vermont homes and businesses all winter. We've also gotten tremendous mileage out of our "Efficiency Vermont" energy conservation program - though there is much more work to do here. We are a state with the second oldest building stock in the Empire, too, so re-tooling our buildings to make them more energy efficient is key. In short, there is plenty of work to be done, and we're well on our way. The bottom line is - we have to figure out how to do more with less energy, and do it more efficiently, and "incentive-ize" this in any way that we can.
CB: One of Vermont's principle "industries" is education with the state spending more on education than many other states do. Is there opposition in the state to the No Child Left Behind Act? If so, how is this opposition being expressed? To what extent are people home-schooling their children?
RW: I've been a local school board member for several years now. While they have their problems, Vermont's public schools are among the highest-performing of all fifty states within the Empire - we seem to be able to absorb NCLB's demands - often unrealistic, opportunistic, and under-funded - without flinching too much, and, while I work with a vocal minority of NCLB critics, I am surprised there isn't more public opposition to NCLB from the rank and file, though most teachers and administrators I know would prefer to test less and educate more. I know folks in Vermont who home school for a wide variety of reasons, but I don't have any specific numbers here.
CB: Can you tell us a bit about Vermont's new experiment with healthcare coverage, Catamount? What is your opinion of it? How will Catamount be funded and who will actually benefit from it? How prevalent are alternative health practitioners in Vermont? Vermont obviously sits on the Canadian border, so I'm wondering how successful Vermonters have been in obtaining medications from Canada. Please comment.
RW: Vermont is a great state to be sick in, aside from occasional life-threatening traumas that demand the kind of intense and immediate care that only a high-powered and high-tech urban hospital might be able provide. I think it is too early to tell how successful Catamount will be - the jury is still out, though I know that much is riding on its performance. Our once and future republic is a refuge and an incubator for a wide variety of alternative health practitioners - you can't swing a live catamount in this state without hitting a physical therapist, yoga mistress, Reiki guru, or massage specialist. It is nice, actually - when we get sick or stressed, we have so many affordable options in our communities, and I know many folks who go over the border for surgeries of various kinds - it is good to have options.
CB: We hear much about "community" in Vermont, but what do you actually see happening in terms of people "living in community"? Are there intentional communities in Vermont? Please explain to readers the "village green" tradition in Vermont. Why is it important?
RW: The annual town meeting tradition, in which Vermonters take the first Tuesday in early March to attend their town and school board meetings to vote on budgetary matters, is under siege here - according to some recent figures, only 20% of Vermonters polled actually attend their town meetings on a yearly basis, and some towns are switching to Australian Ballot measures. This is too bad, as there is much to celebrate with our town meetings, which Henry David Thoreau called "the true Congress," because we look at our neighbors face to face and deliberate matters vital to our communities.

And there is this funny paradox here - because we have no intermediate governing structures between town governments and the state, for the most part (no county seats, for example) - political decision-making is very centralized, in some ways.

But local Vermonters also donate tremendous amounts of time to school and select boards, planning commissions, ad hoc committees, neighborhood groups, volunteer fire and ambulance services, and the like.

And we in the Vermont independence effort have just started our "Free Vermont" campaign - to use annual town meeting as a way to jump start a debate about peaceable secession. Find out more at http://www.freevermont.net/.
CB: What do you absolutely love about Vermont? What are some of the challenges of living there? What would you like to change about Vermont?
RW: Vermont is a small, rural, poor, sparsely populated, beautiful, and quiet place. This is both a blessing and a curse - it is easy to live and work out of doors, and the skiing and other recreational opportunities are phenomenal, if you can put up with cold, long, dark winters, as well as the aesthetic pleasures of "mud" and "stick" season.

But for someone who grew up in the suburbs and then spent ten years living in cities as a young man in my twenties, I love Vermont's size, Vermont's neighborliness, Vermonters' "live and let live" approach, and what might be called Vermonters' "jack of all trades" quality: everyone I meet here is involved with all kinds of fascinating projects, working with their minds, and hands, and hearts, and all are passionately dedicated to this place we call Vermont, despite our disagreements about the specifics.

I'd like to see more ethnic and racial diversity here - we have had historically and still have a very small population of color here (though trends like a growing number of African refugee resettlement programs in cities like Burlington are changing this, and for the better, I think). We also have 2,000 Mexican migrant workers, for example, working on Vermont's farms, who tend to keep a low profile, for obvious reasons. Vermont's legal support for "civil unions" after much contentious conversation is another example of our "live and let live" philosophy, and this, from state with gun laws so liberal you don't even need a permit to carry a hand gun! And this sort of fascinating combination of factors is what makes Vermont unique. We're 630,000 citizens who are not so easily pigeonholed, though the national media tries and fails to most every time.

Ultimately, I think it is Vermont's balanced combination of fierce independence and "live and let live" attitude, of community-mindedness and self-reliance.That is most compelling to me.
CB: This question probably should have been asked first, but what is your background? Where did you grow up? How long have you lived in Vermont? Do you work with Vermont Commons full-time, or do you do other work?

RW: I am not only a "flatlander" (as Vermont natives like to call us new arrivals), I am what Ethan Allen called almost pejoratively, (I should add) a "Yorker" - I grew up in the New York suburbs just four hours south of where I now live in central Vermont's Mad River Valley. I've lived in Vermont for six years - and I am volunteer (web) editor for Vermont Commons. I am an historian, teacher, and musician by training, and I teach history and media studies courses at Champlain College in Burlington, when I am not out and about at our home tending to kids, chickens, and chores. 
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Several States Are Discussing Secession From The United States
Several States Are Discussing Secession From The United States
October 4th, 2007 · 1 Comment

When you read the headline of this brief story, it’s reminiscent of what occurred prior to the beginning of the Civil War. The news came as a surprise to me, as I wasn’t aware there was a “Secessionist” movement in the United States, but there it is, right before your eyes. What’s even more startling are the reasons the states wish to dissolve their partnership with the Union, and some of it actually makes sense:

Secessionists meeting in Tennessee

By BILL POOVEY, Associated Press WriterWed Oct 3, 3:15 AM ET

In an unlikely marriage of desire to secede from the United States, two advocacy groups from opposite political traditions — New England and the South — are sitting down to talk.

Tired of foreign wars and what they consider right-wing courts, the Middlebury Institute wants liberal states like Vermont to be able to secede peacefully.

That sounds just fine to the League of the South, a conservative group that refuses to give up on Southern independence. MORE

When you look at the reasons for which they want to secede, it’s crystal clear that many of them/us are tired of living under oppression; These are a few of the reasons cited:

save themselves from an overbearing federal government.

If allowed to go their own way, New Englanders “probably would allow abortion and have gun control,” Hill said, while Southerners “would probably crack down on illegal immigration harder than it is being now.”

a fringe movement that gained new traction because of the Iraq war, rising oil prices and the formation of several pro-secession groups.

disillusioned by the Iraq war and federal imperialism, share the idea of states becoming independent republics.

Right now, they are labeled as “fringe groups”, but as government oppression grows stronger, their membership and supporters are growing, and it’s a concept I had never thought about before. Now, after reading the article, I’ve given it some serious thought - and while it’s as radical an idea of any I’ve heard, what better way to send Congress and President Bush/Cheney a message that will come across loud and clear!

The general public is sick and tired of an ultra-conservative government that is bent on imperialism, believe in infringing on their own citizens freedoms and rights, and have driven the nation close to bankruptcy. Now that it’s obvious we have an ultra right-wing Supreme Court dominated by right-wing justices, Americans can expect a further erosion of their rights, and a Court that believes in unfettered Presidential power rather than the principles this country was based upon; The separation of church and state is dead, and whether we like it or not, the coming opinions from the SCOTUS will no doubt restrict our lives and freedoms even more, even though many of us don’t share those same right-wing radical Christian values, their morality will be shoved down our throats whether we like it or not!

The U.S. was talking about partitioning Iraq, and if they view that as “a budding democracy”, then what the President believes is good enough for the Iraqis should be good enough for America! Can you imagine being able to move to a state where the right-wing Christians had no voice? Neo-conservatives would relocate to the states that were pro-Bush, and the the radical Christians and Neo-conservatives would be able to impose their will on anyone in the state they chose to - and the rest of us could live in freedom and peace…

Imagine the individual states building their own economies, and if corporate America wanted a piece of the pie, they would have to reinvest in that state rather than outsourcing everything to countries that will work for peanuts that are breaking the American economy. It’s ironic, but if we allowed all of the right-wing warmongers and fundamentalists to have their own states, when terrorists struck - it would probably be in those areas inhabited by the hate-mongers rather than bombing innocent Americans.

Imagine a state completely inhabited by right-wing Christians; they could censor everything, bash gays (who would quickly relocate to liberal states) until ultimately, all they will have to censor or criticize is themselves. You have to wonder where the Mega-Preachers will find their hookers in such a society, but in that regard, maybe they’ll pass a law or make it an 11th Commandment that thou shalt share your wife with the pastor… Oh, and they could make the 10% tithing mandatory, on top of the regular state taxes, and the American Taliban would grow and flourish, until ultimately, many began to flee to the free states, remembering how sweet freedom really was, and leave the fanatics to their own. They might even return to true Christianity, all of whom would be welcomed by Liberal and Progressive states. It’s those who wish to impose their ideology on others that we are trying to get away from, but true Christians are a boon to any society!

It’s a shame the right-wing fanatics have forgotten the concepts of loving thy neighbor, helping the poor, and the Golden Rule… It’s obvious they have lost their way, and we aren’t going to change them, so why not let them live among themselves, instead of poisoning the rest of society? When you really look at the teachings of Jesus Christ, he was without doubt a “liberal” - and even in today’s society of radical Christianity, someone of Christ’s stature wound now be labeled a “leftist” or “coward.” Can you imagine Jesus trying to preach peace in this society? I have no doubt the radicals and our government would label him as an impostor; how else could they fight their wars and steal from the poor and Middle-class?

I know it sounds crazy, and it will probably never happen, as corporatism, the religious-right and Neo-cons would start a civil war before they let anyone enjoy the freedom and liberty we are entitled to - but nevertheless, it doesn’t hurt to dream. Take a minute to think about the concept of being able to move your family just a few hundred miles and be free again, while still enjoying the homeland of our forefathers… Maybe we should all give the Secessionist Movement more than a second glance; it may never work, but if states actually tried to secede from the United States, I can’t think of any better way to send a message to this President and Congress that if they don’t get their act together, they may be governing themselves!

William Cormier

UPDATE:

Today, when I returned from the Dr.’s Office, I found this on BUZZFLASH. Like I said, we can expect a right-wing Supreme Court to impose their morality on the general population:

Court Leaves Ala. Sex Toy Ban Intact

Oct 1, 3:57 PM (ET)

By PHILLIP RAWLS

MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) - The U.S. Supreme Court declined Monday to hear a challenge to Alabama’s ban on the sale of sex toys, ending a nine-year legal battle and sending a warning to store owners to clean off their shelves.

An adult-store owner had asked the justices to throw out the law as an unconstitutional intrusion into the privacy of the bedroom. But the Supreme Court declined to hear the appeal, leaving intact a lower court ruling that upheld the law.

Sherri Williams, owner of Pleasures stores in Huntsville and Decatur, said she was disappointed, but plans to sue again on First Amendment free speech grounds. LINK

Why does the State of Alabama or the Supreme Court have to dictate their morality on a population that is used to freedom? Aren’t they aware we withstand much of their waste and mis-management because its become part of our free society, but take away the freedom, and what’s left?

JAC

A special comment from John McCarthy:

Greetings, Bill

Surprisingly, it has taken a very long time to recognize the dis-united states of Amerika and do something about it.

Those interested in a movement to abolish this irreparably sick dis-union should seek the methods (and reasons) by which the Soviet Union was dissolved. It worked for them so why not employ the same methods?

Our three sections of government are so corrupt; we have no hope of retrieving what our forefathers envisioned when they wrote the Constitution and the Declaration.

The Executive Department is not only out of control, the President refers to the Constitution as “just another goddamn piece of paper” which violates HIS oath of office. The continuing threats to preemptively attack another sovereign nation with nuclear weapons has destabilized the entire world which puts us in a position to be nuked ourselves. Enough!

As a combat veteran I swore to uphold that same oath for defending the Constitution of the US. No one has relieved me of that oath.

The Declaration of Independence provides us with the means by which we can remove a president from office who violates his oath of office. Failing that, our only recourse is to dis-unionize.

The Judiciary is stacked with right wing yes men who are serving at the pleasure of the President who appointed (anointed) him in 2000. The last two Attorney Generals of the USA have committed crimes against the nation and should face criminal court. AG Ashcroft and Senators Kyl and Shelby were notified of acts of treason and failed to notify a Federal Judge or the President which is Misprision of Felony. We citizens have no recourse.

The Congress has passed the Patriot Act One and Two (nearly verbatim of the German Enabling Act of 1933 after the Reichstag Fire) which has neutered the Bill of Rights re habeas corpus, and none of the signatories read the act before signing. No one had the foresight to see the day when any citizen could be locked up without charges or legal representation!

And all of this came about AFTER 911. None of the alleged ‘terrorists’ names appeared on the manifest of any aircraft hijacked on 911. The FBI Chief of Counter Terror recently was asked by a reporter why poster of the ten most wanted which carried Osama bin Laden’s name did not carry wanted information for the attacks on the WTC and Pentagon on 911. The response from the FBI Agent was that there is no direct evidence linking Osama to any event on 911. This begs the question: Why are we in Afghanistan?! In 2003 the Japanese International War Crimes Tribunal in Tokyo indicted George Bush for War Crimes for dropping over 250 tons of Depleted Uranium (DU) on Afghanistan.

The DoD has followed orders from the POTUS in violation of the Nuremberg Findings which the USA signed in 1950 by preemptively attacking two sovereign nations that did not attack us which makes everyone participating member of the Armed Forces a WAR CRIMINAL as expressed at the International War Crimes Trial in Nuremberg in 1946.

President Truman appointed Supreme Court Justice Robert Jackson as the US Representative to the Nuremberg International War Crimes Tribunal who opening remarks to the jury included: “The standards by which we judge these defendants’s today are the standards by which we shall be judged tomorrow.” Then we hanged them.

Tomorrow is today!

http://johnmccarthy90066.tripod.com

Retraction: One thing I’m dead set against is disinformation, whether it be from the Rethuglicans, who usually spin the truth and lie when it serves their purpose, and especially us that are attempting to bring-back accountability to government. I erroneously stated that Bush was in support of Partitioning Iraq; evidently I erred on that remark, which was pointed-out by Jr. On CampusProgress.net. (Post on that forum and you better have your facts correct! smilies/smiley.gif ) For now, it’s Democrats as well as Republicans who are making mistakes in regard Iraq policy, and President Bush has done enough on his own without having me falsely, albeit accidentally, stating that he was in favor of partitioning Iraq. I will edit the original article in the AM.

JAC
 
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smarter than bill poovey said:

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RE:secession
Bill Poovey (AP) reports that its more likely that terrorists would bomb the red states, as if this is incentive to secede....I wonder if Bill has covered the voting habits of N.Y. voters for the last several decades.

 
November 22, 2007
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John McCarthy said:

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Spreading the word
Greetings,
My initial edit post to wickipedia was deleted because I had included URL's to my own site. That's a nono when such URL's are black listed by wickipedia, in advance. So far, the edit below remains on site. For how long??????

==Information===
PROJECT GAMMA: A highly secret Special Forces unit, known as Project Gamma, was responsible for conducting anti-Sihanouk intelligence operations inside Cambodia before [Prince] Sihanouk's ousterHersh, Seymour M.,The Price of Power, Kissinger in the Nixon White House, Summit Books, 1983, paper, Cambodia: The Coup p175; ISBN 10: 0671447602. Project Gamma, formally listed as Detachment B57, Fifth Special Forces Group in South Vietnam, used members of the Khmer Serei and the Khmer Kampuchean Krom in its activities inside Cambodia. One member of B57, Captain John J. McCarthy, Jr. was court-martialed in T968 [1968] and sentenced to hard labor for life for killing a Khmer Serei operative believed to be a double agent. McCarthy's conviction was reversed in 1971, after an appeals hearing in Washington in which the Army warned that public disclosure of evidence in the case would damage national security. An official Army history of the Green Berets, published after the Vietnam War Kelly, Francis John (1972) History of Special Forces in Vietnam, 1961-1971. Center for Military History, Department of the Army, Washington, D.C. http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/BOO...0-23C.htm, does not mention Project GAMMA or Detachment B57. Although the Pentagon has declassified much material about Green Beret crossborder operations inside Laos and Cambodia, nothing on Project Gamma has been made available. Seals, Bob (2007) The "Green Beret Affair": A Brief Introduction, militaryhistoryonline.com http://www.militaryhistoryonli...erets.aspx

Current updates on the reference to McCarthy, above, can be viewed by Googeling the following: "John McCarthy CIA". Note: Project Gamma, B-57, was a Military Intelligence effort posing as Special Forces to hide their association with operational control by CIA at the US Embassy in Saigon. The USARV Command in Vietnam DID NOT have the authority for directing cross border operations into Cambodia using Khmer Serei forces during the time in question. On the contrary, LBJ had issued presidential directives to the National Security Council that forbade support for any Khmer Serei activities including the assassination of the Prince, now King, Norodom Sihanouk. LBJ directed that letters to this effect be hand carried to the President of South Vietnam, the King of Thailand and Sihanouk himself. This directive was issued in June, 1966. McCarthy was assigned to Project Cherry as Case Officer in September 1967, unwittingly part of the treachery of the NSC's blatant disregard for LBJ's directives. That is why the Pentagon has not issued unit history on Project Gamma, B-57. That is why LBJ announced in March, 1968, that he "...would not seek nor accept my parties nomination for a second term as your president". LBJ had discovered the treachery of his closest advisers.
 
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disguisted said:

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freepress
i would just like to live in a country with freedom of religion
and freedom from multi racial and multicultural problems
 
March 17, 2009 | url
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disguisted said:

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not a dem not a republican leaning toward dictator rule
i hate political correctness
 
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C said:

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ready to secede
I've never before in my life considered this, but now I do. Daily. What's interesting is that this desire is coming from both the "left" and the "right" of the political spectrum (though I find it interesting that the "left" was talking more about secession during the Bush years, and yet they have lashed out against more recent suggestions from Alaska and Texas, which are more rightist secessionist movements).

In any case, I'm all for peaceful (if possible) secession from the United States. The federal government has become a disaster. The splitting of the current United States into separate sovereign nations is not a bad idea at all. In fact there would be an opportunity for a sense competition among different economic and political models.

Each state, of course, must be prepared to defend itself against outside aggression because there will be (at least) the federal government that will seek to aggress against these secessionist states (as it has clearly demonstrated its willingness to do against OTHER sovereign nations). But also against neighboring states/nations that may feel compelled to exert their authoritarian and coercive tendencies. It seems there's always SOMEONE that feels compelled to impose their will upon SOMEONE else.

I am actively looking for an opportunity that seems realistically achievable in my lifetime. For the first time ever, I believe there's a real possibility of (and I hope for) a New American Revolution.
 
March 20, 2009
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AXWZ said:

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If you will spread like pellets of a shotgun, how could/would you resist the BRIC expansion?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRIC
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/b/bric.asp
 
January 15, 2010
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