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Iranian Journalist Kourosh Ziabari Interviews Wayne Madsen
Tuesday, 07 December 2010 13:22
by Kourosh Ziabari in Iran

Wayne Madsen is an American investigative journalist and columnist. He is the editor and publisher of the political blog "Wayne Madsen Report". He has appeared on ABC News, NBC, CBS, PBS, CNN, BBC, Al-Jezeera, MSNBC and Press TV. Madsen has written the introduction to the book "Forbidden Truth: U.S.-Taliban Secret Oil Diplomacy, Saudi Arabia and the Failed Search for bin Laden". Madsen's articles have appeared on a number of news websites and magazines including Global Research, Pacific Free Press, Online Journal, Counter Punch, The American Conservative, Tehran Times and In These Times.
Madsen has more than 20 years of experience in security affairs. As a U.S. Naval Officer, he managed one of the first computer security programs for the U.S. Navy. He has also worked for the NSA National Security Agency, the Naval Data Automation Command, Department of State, RCA Corporation, and Computer Sciences Corporation.

Madsen joined me in an exclusive interview and answered my questions about the 9/11 attacks, Israel's dominance over the U.S. media and the prospect of Iran-U.S. relations.

Kourosh Ziabari: There are many unanswered questions regarding the catastrophic attacks of September 11, 2001 about which you've written extensively. Several investigative journalists believe that the attacks were an inside job planned by the FBI and perpetrated by Israel or elements connected to Mossad. Former Italian President Francesco Cossiga has categorically expressed that the 9/11 attacks were a joint operation of FBI and Mossad. General Hamid Gul, the former head of Pakistan's Intelligence Service believes that Israel was behind the attacks, too. What's your estimation of these theories, their veracity and reliability? Is it demonstrable that the 9/11 attacks were a false flag operation or an inside job?

Wayne Madsen: I don't believe the attacks were planned by the FBI. I believe they were an operation carried out by Mossad, Saudi intelligence, with which Mossad has had and continues to have a close relationship since the days of the Safari Club of western and Middle East intelligence services combining their operations, and elements of the CIA. Cossiga, Gul, parliament members in Germany, Britain, and Japan, the late British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook, and others all understood this was an inside job that also involved a handful of people at the top of the Bush administration, including Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, A.B.Krongard of the CIA, and Rudolph Giuliani, as well.

KZ: In 2003, you stated that you uncovered documents which reveal a relationship between the Saudi government and the S-11 hijackers. It's a complicated issue; you know, from one hand, Saudi Arabia is a strategic ally of the United States in the Persian Gulf region. From the other hand, the United States attributed the attacks to Osama Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda, which we already know rose to prominence with the indirect and direct support of the United States. At another side of the story, we find the close relationship between the House of Saud and the Bin Laden Family which is a major stakeholder in the Saudi economics. How is it possible to solve this complexity? Can we conclude that the old friends became new enemies and betrayed each other?

WM: The Sauds and the Bin Ladens were close allies of the Bush family, which had everything to gain in the 9-11 attacks. The only way to discover the Saudi role is for a Saudi whistleblower to come forward; however, that may only happen after the inevitable overthrow of the Saudi monarchy. As many Saudis know, the Sauds are not only in lockstep with the Americans and Israelis but they are descendant from a Jewish merchant family that originally lived in what is now Kuwait. Wahhabism in fact serves the interests of Israel's Zionist Judaism, both emphasize extremism and sectarianism that keeps the Middle East in constant turmoil and extends the rule of the Wahhabi Sauds and Zionists.

KZ: You know that the Iraq of Saddam Hussein era was a close ally of the United States in 1980s. The United States gave the green light to Saddam to attack Iran, and backed him strategically, militarily and financially. 20 years later, the equations changed altogether. The close ally became the villain and came under fire. The man whom the United States had equipped for waging a war against Iran was arrested and executed by the same United States. What happened that changed everything in this way?

WM: This is part of the U.S. policy. Use leaders it creates and then dispose of them. It has happened with Ngo Dinh Diem in South Vietnam, Manuel Noriega in Panama, Trujillo in Dominican Republic, Savimbi in Angola, and the lost goes on.

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KZ: Having all of what you've written regarding the 9/11 attacks in mind, there still remains a number of ambiguities concerning what happened during the week leading to September 11. One of these incidences was the unexpected declaration of martial law by John Ellis Bush, the Governor of Florida in the state before 9/11. We also know that the Israeli ZIM Shipping Company pulled out its headquarters from the World Trade Center's north tower just days before September 11. The media also divulged that 4000 Israeli employees of the WTC didn't attend their work on September 11. Are these revelations enough to conclude that Israel was behind the 9/11 attacks?

WM: The entire reaction of the U.S. defense and early warning systems on 9/11 indicates involvement by high-level officials, including Jeb Bush and his brother Marvin Bush, who had financial interests in the firm that had the security contracts for the World Trade Center and Dulles International Airport. The 4000 Jews who didn't go to work was something tossed out by the Israeli disinformation machine to point to as an anti-Jewish "conspiracy theory." There were no 4000 Israelis or Jews working at the WTC who did not show up for work. This is psychological warfare operation.

KZ: Iran and the G5+1, representing five permanent members of the UNSC and Germany, are about to sit at a table for a new round of negotiations over Iran's nuclear program. Are these negotiations going to yield constructive results? What I want to ask you is that is Iran's uranium enrichment program the mere concern of the international community? Will they bring to an end their financial sanctions and military threats should Iran halts its enrichment program?

WM: No, they want the ending of the nuclear program all together. We now know that Yukia Amano was installed as head of IAEA by the U.S. and its allies to act on Washington's and Israel's behalf. This is a complete change from the past head of IAEA ElBaradei, who the neo-cons and Zionists hated.

KZ: In one of your articles, you've elaborately discussed the authorization of a covert economic war against the government of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez by the U.S. President Barack Obama. It had been previously reported that the ex-President Bush administration also pursued the conduction of a set of clandestine intelligence operations in Iran to destabilize the national government. You mentioned that the United States carries out its operations through subservient NGOs who work to meet the interests of Washington in a target country. How is it possible for the United States to organize such destabilizing operations? What are the objectives which the United States follows through these efforts?

WM: Most of the NGO operations are carried out by George Soros's groups and others funded by the U.S. Agency for International Development. Even the Peace Corps is misused, which is against the policy of President Kennedy who established the group to do good. In Iran, Soros and USAID and National Endowment for Democracy funded groups aim to cause problems with the minorities: Kurds, Ahwazis, Baluchis, Azeris, Turkmen, and others.

KZ: In the recent Wikileaks documents which were released a few days ago, it has been alleged that a number of Persian Gulf Arab countries had furtively asked the U.S. government to launch a military strike against Iran so as to avert the conceived threat of a nuclear Iran. How much credible are these documents and how do they affect the U.S. foreign relations? In what ways do these allegations benefit Israel?

WM: Most of these comments were relayed by the U.S. diplomats who have political agendas. It should be noted that some of these meetings where these comments were made were attended and reported on by American Jewish diplomats with Zionist leanings, for example, Michael Gfoeller, the US charge d'affaires in Riyadh, also Gen. David Petraeus's political aide, who attended meetings with King Abdullah.

KZ: For the final question, I want to ask you about the unconditional support which the United States offers to Israel. What has made the United States the staunchest ally of Tel Aviv? Why does the White House degrade itself to the level of the representative of Israel in the international organizations and the United Nations Security Council? Many Middle East experts believe that it is the influence of Zionist lobby over the economy of the United States which has created this immutable connection between Tel Aviv and Washington. What's your idea? How do you estimate the influence of Zionist lobby over the U.S. government?

WM: The Israeli Lobby owns the Congress, media, Hollywood, Wall Street, both political parties, and the White House. This kind of talk will get people fired by this lobby, as we have seen recently with White House correspondent Helen Thomas and CNN anchor Rick Sanchez. However, many Americans are growing tired of the arrogance of the Israel Lobby and their bigoted attitudes toward anyone who challenges their influence-peddling and their ridiculous insistence that Israel must be supported because of some ancient fairy tales involving some tribes who wandered the deserts of the Middle East and saw and heard non-existent things because of sun stroke, drinking bad water, and smoking local hallucinogenic plants.

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Project Humanbeingsfirst.org said:

Softie Interview!
I find your interview all softies and generally avoid reading them. I made an exception in this case and it's the same Israel-bashing time because it is very convient and acceptable to identify its abhorrences. Why do you not ask the real questions when you seek out reformed cats who, after having performed their hajj, boldly strive to represent the mice?

WM, and insider, by your own disclosures: "Madsen has more than 20 years of experience in security affairs. As a U.S. Naval Officer, he managed one of the first computer security programs for the U.S. Navy." - and is fed information from the same coffers playing controlled dissent, as wikileaks. If Wayne is revealing all sorts of pertinent information, like his counter-part Assange of Wikileaks, how comes he is still 'ambulatory' to put it mildly?

From Left to Right, we see Israel being held responsible for 9/11. They may well have been participant in it, no different than Pakistan's ISI, and no different than other nations intelligence apparatuses - each playing their compartmentalized role.

But they aren't the masterminds - each may however share their local agenda with the masterminds, and even aspire for a key role in the overarching agenda.

What is the overarching motivation? You didn't ask that question.

What is the overarching agenda? You didn't ask that question.

What was America doing before 1948? How was it functioning without the Israeli Lobby in becoming the most dominant barbaric power in world from Wounded Knee to the onset of World War II? You didn't ask that question.

Because if you had, I would have like to see how Wayne Madsen would have dodged them. That is a bet I am happy to lose.

See my article published on this very website today 'Of Ostriches and Rebels on The Hard Road to World Order' for the overarching agenda which neither you mention, nor WM, and nor your courageous Iranian President when he acquires the microphone at the UN or at Columbia, nor your courageous Ayatollah who owns many microphones and can say anything he wants at anytime and it will be plastered all over the world. Why? Is it not already obvious what is written in my article? Here is the link: atlanticfreepress.com/news/1/13936-of-ostriches-and-rebels-on-the-hard-road-to-world-order.html

So please call up Wayne Madsen and ask him some tough followup questions to make it worthwhile for me to continue reading your softballs which add absolutely nothing except to give you a name-fame as a journalist so you can mention how many websites publish your work as the official voice of Iran.

Please bring up the references to the oligarchy running the world. Please bring up the names of Rothschild and Rockefeller trying to create world government using various pretexts of which 9/11 is just one of the manufactured crises.

Bring up their agenda to create a new "Zion that will light up the world".

Ask what is the connection between Israel, World Government, the erosion of national-sovereignty, the police-state in America, the bankruptcy of the sole-superpower, the necessary existence of the "new Pearl Harbor" as the sine qua non to embark on "imperial mobilization", the necessary existence of Iran-N.Korea-Iraq as manufactured antagonists to continue exercising the Hegelian Dialectical enemies in order to synthesize "revolutionary times" ....

Let's see what the formerly establishmentarian and now reformed cats have to say when you bring up the taboo subjects before them.

Similarly, as for Gen. Hameed Gul, that reformed cat is entirely an un-apologetic establishmentarian directly responsible for the blood of Afghanistan-Pakistan on his hands. Ask him about that when you quote him next - for who authorized him to aid conduct subversion in the neighbouring nation whose repercussions are being harvested worldwide today? Where does that buck-stop - if not at the hanging station of victor's justice at Nuremberg?

I have enough dealing with fabricated dissent and our own 'house negroes' as it is, and seeing brillant youngsters with great promise who aren't suffering from the Western plague of 'occidentosis', getting co-opted by cheap publicity stunts and governmental awards becoming press agents of their President without perhaps even realizing it, drives me up the wall. If I am mistaken that you aren't just a cheap publicity seeker in doing these silly interviews of brand name Westerners - then prove it. Ask them meaningful questions outside of the dissent-stream's popular paradigms that can really shed light on the diabolically twisted shadow-play in a zietgiest in which "deception is a state of mind and the mind of state". And I'll gladly eat crow.

Thank you.

Zahir Ebrahim
Project Humanbeingsfirst.org
December 07, 2010
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