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On a single day, December 7, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales demanded
the resignations of 8 United States Attorneys. What was really the
purpose of the firings - and who was behind it? Investigative
journalist Greg Palast reports.
AMY GOODMAN: Perhaps the most well known of these US attorneys is
ousted New Mexico prosecutor David Iglesias. His case has been at the
center of the political firestorm. Investigative journalist Greg Palast
has been closely following this story. He files this report.TOM CRUISE:
Your honor, I’d like to ask for a recess. I’d like an answer to the
question, Judge.
J.A. PRESTON: The court will wait for an answer.
GREG PALAST: This past December 7 was not the first time United States
prosecutor David Iglesias had been brutally cut loose. In the 1992 film
A Few Good Men, Tom Cruise plays David Iglesias, the true story of the
young military defense lawyer fighting to uncover the truth.
TOM CRUISE: I want the truth!
JACK NICHOLSON: You can’t handle the truth!
GREG PALAST: Greg Palast.
DAVID IGLESIAS: Greg, hi. David Iglesias.
GREG PALAST: Hey, how are you, Captain?
DAVID IGLESIAS: Hey, I’m doing just fine. Thank you.
GREG PALAST: So can you handle the truth or not?
DAVID IGLESIAS: Absolutely.
GREG PALAST: Captain Iglesias, the US prosecutor, knew something was
very wrong when, just a week before the 2006 midterm elections, he
received a strange and threatening call to his home. It was his state’s
senior senator, the powerful Republican leader Pete Domenici on the
line, pushing Iglesias to file criminal charges against a Democrat
before the election.
DAVID IGLESIAS: I’m sitting in my bedroom, and here’s the killer point,
Greg. He says, “Are these going to get filed before November?” And I
said I didn’t think so. And the line goes dead. In other words, our
senior senator hung up on me. A terribly inappropriate call.
GREG PALAST: Inappropriate, certainly. Obstruction of justice, possibly.
DAVID IGLESIAS: He basically wanted to know: are you going to file
these cases that can help Heather out? That was the subtext. I felt
terrible after that phone call.
GREG PALAST: By “helping Heather,” he meant Congresswoman Heather
Wilson, then candidate Heather Wilson. The race was a dead heat.
Domenici wanted him to bust a Democrat to help Wilson. Still, Iglesias
tried to be the loyal party man, even covering up the threatening call.
Did you report this phone call to anyone at the time?
DAVID IGLESIAS: I did not, and I should have. There is a requirement
under the US attorney’s manual for us to report that kind of contact
from a member of Congress. I didn’t do that.
GREG PALAST: But that act of loyalty wasn’t good enough for Karl Rove,
the President’s political advisor. Rove flew to New Mexico just before
the election and got an earful of complaints about Iglesias from state
party chiefs. Rove reported to President Bush, who personally put the
heat on Attorney General Gonzales. Iglesias was stunned.
DAVID IGLESIAS: I had no idea that a few local yokels in New Mexico would have enough stroke to get the President to complain.
GREG PALAST: There was more than failing to help the Wilson campaign.
In the 2004 presidential election, Republican operatives blocked a
quarter-million new voters nationwide from voting on grounds they
brought the wrong IDs to the poles. To justify this massive blockade,
Republican officials wanted Iglesias to arrest some voters to create a
high publicity show trial. Iglesias went along with the game. Just
before the 2004 election, he held a press conference announcing the
creation of a vote fraud task force. But the prosecutor drew the line
at arresting innocent voters.
DAVID IGLESIAS: They were telling Rove that I wasn’t doing their bidding. I wasn’t filing these voter fraud cases.
GREG PALAST: The evidence fellow Republicans gave him was junk. He refused to bring a single prosecution.
DAVID IGLESIAS: It was the old throwing pasta at the wall trick, that
he’s throwing up pasta. Something’s got to stick, and it didn’t.
GREG PALAST: For failing to bring the voting cases, Iglesias paid with his job.
DAVID IGLESIAS: They wanted a political operative who happened to be a
US attorney, and when they got somebody who actually took his oath to
the Constitution seriously, they were appalled and they wanted me out
of there. The two strikes against me was, I was not political, I didn’t
help them out on their bogus voter fraud prosecutions.
GREG PALAST: Rove personally ordered his removal. As a prosecutor,
Iglesias says that if missing emails prove the firing was punishment
for failure to bring bogus charges, Mr. Rove himself is in legal
trouble.
DAVID IGLESIAS: If his intent was, look what happened with Iglesias, if
that was his intent, he’s in big trouble. That is obstruction of
justice, one classic example.
GREG PALAST: Iglesias believes the real reasons for the firings are in
what are called the missing emails, emails sent by the Rove team using
Republican Party campaign computers, which Rove claims can’t be
retrieved. But not all the missing emails are missing. We have 500 of
them. Apparently the Rove team misaddressed their emails, and late one
night they all ended up in our inboxes in our offices in New York City.
And as Iglesias predicted, they reveal a story the party would rather
keep buried. Voting rights attorney Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., reviewed
the evidence in our cache of emails and concluded:
ROBERT F. KENNEDY, JR.: They ought to be in jail for doing this, because they knew it was illegal, and they did it anyway.
GREG PALAST: What is it that was so obviously illegal that law
professor Kennedy thought they deserved prison time? The evidence that
shook him was attached to fifty of the secret emails, something that
GOP party chiefs called caging lists, thousands of names of voters.
Notably, the majority were African American. Kennedy explained how
caging worked.
ROBERT F. KENNEDY, JR.: Caging is an illegal way of getting rid of
black votes. You get a list of all the black voters. Then you send a
letter to their homes. And if the person doesn’t sign it at the homes,
the letter then is returned to the Republican National Committee. They
then direct the state attorney general, who is friendly to them, who’s
Republican, to remove that voter from the list on the alleged basis
that that voter does not live in the address that they designated as
their address on the voting application form.
GREG PALAST: In all, the Republican Party challenged nearly three
million voters, a mass attack on minority voting rights virtually
unreported in the US press.
ROBERT F. KENNEDY, JR.: So they disenfranchised millions of black
voters who don’t even know that they’ve been disenfranchised.
GREG PALAST: Page after page of voters with this address, Naval Air
Station, Jacksonville, hundreds, thousands of soldiers and sailors
targeted to lose their vote. Go to Baghdad, lose your vote.
And what does this have to do with the prosecutor firings? Take a look
at the name at the top of the secret missing email: Tim Griffin. This
is the man in charge of the allegedly illegal caging operation. He is
research director for the Republican National Committee, special
assistant to Karl Rove, and as of December 7 Karl Rove’s personal pick
for US attorney for the state of Arkansas. Is this a case of the
perpetrator becomes the prosecutor? For Democracy Now! this is Greg
Palast.
JACK NICHOLSON: We use words like honor, code, loyalty.
GREG PALAST: Is Tom Cruise going to play you in this follow-up?
DAVID IGLESIAS: He’s more handsome, but I’m quite a bit taller, so I’ve got that on him.
AMY GOODMAN: And that was the excerpt of A Few Good Men from Greg
Palast’s piece. Greg Palast, investigative journalist, his latest book
just out on paperback called Armed Madhouse: From Baghdad to New
Orleans, Sordid Secrets and Strange Tales of a White House Gone Wild.
Greg Palast joins us in the studio now.
Greg, I just want to start where you left off and started this film: A
Few Good Men. I don’t think most people understand this about David
Iglesias.
GREG PALAST: Yes, well, Iglesias was the guy played by Tom Cruise in
the film A Few Good Men, which is a real story about how a young
military attorney stood up to military brass to uncover the truth. And
somehow they thought that this — you know, this Tom –
AMY GOODMAN: This was the hazing of a young man, a soldier, who was killed.
GREG PALAST: Yeah, who was killed. And it was covered up. And, you
know, he just wanted to get to the truth. That was David Iglesias. Now,
here he is again, you know, standing up to the brass. I mean, one of
the things we have to be very careful of is — you know, I’m not going
to say he’s a man for all season — he went along just before the 2004
election and held a big splashy press conference, saying, “Yes, I’m
going to go and look for voter fraud,” that there are — you know, it
looks like there may be thousands of fraudulent voters.
Understand what this is about. This is to create a hysteria so they
could pass legislation which would require voters to show up with ID. A
quarter-million voters were turned away for having the wrong ID, but no
one was arrested. So Karl Rove and his assistant Tim Griffin are in a
panic. You’re turning away thousands of voters, you’re not arresting
any. So he’s asking Iglesias, demanding Iglesias — and now we know a
half dozen others, almost everyone that was fired — they demand that
they just grab people. That’s where Iglesias drew the line in the sand.
He said a press conference is one thing, which he probably shouldn’t
have done, but literally handcuffing innocent voters for show trials —
and then, of course, then you drop the case later — that is one thing
he absolutely was not going to do. He was going to give up his job.
He also made the mistake — when he got calls from Senator Pete Domenici
asking for inside information, pushing him to arrest Democrats a week
before the midterm election of 2006, that was another attempt at what
could be obstruction of justice. The US code for US attorneys requires
that he turn in Senator Domenici, which he admits he didn’t do. And now
he regrets that, but he said, “You know, I want the evidence out there
anyway, even if it shows that I failed to act.”
AMY GOODMAN: And Healther Wilson, of course, also called, and Heather
Wilson at the time in an extremely close race for her political life as
a congress member from New Mexico.
GREG PALAST: Well, in fact, from my investigation, she didn’t win.
There was voter fraud, and that the majority of the votes went to the
Democrats.
Another thing is that Iglesias did not, unfortunately, investigate the
other side of the coin, which is this massive denial of votes,
systematic by Republican operatives. Now, what we have and what we
showed in the film is that when I was investigating for BBC and for
Democracy Now! back in 2004, we got 500 of the so-called missing emails
of Karl Rove. They were, you know — Karl Rove, people think he’s an
evil genius, but that’s only about half right. I mean, he’s not
necessarily the sharpest knife in the drawer, and he and his guys were
mistyping their email addresses, sent them to georgewbush.org, instead
of dotcom, which is an email domain owned by friends of ours, who shot
them right to us.
We went through the 500, and what we found were this massive plan to
deny the right to vote — I mean, extraordinarily targeting African
American soldiers sent overseas. They’d send them a letter to their
home address. The letter would come back. They say, “Gee, they don’t
live there. They shouldn’t be allowed to vote.” Their absentee ballot
would come in from overseas, and it would be challenged. They would
lose their vote. They wouldn’t even know it. Now, when we showed this
to several voting rights attorneys, including, as you heard, Robert F.
Kennedy, Jr. — now, he was really shaken up. That’s when he said these
guys should be in jail. So this is the other side of this whole issue
involving the prosecutors.
And who did this? Who was in charge of this? It wasn’t Rove personally.
He had put Tim Griffin in charge. Griffin is the guy who, with Rove,
picked out the US attorneys to be fired and then had himself named by
Rove — had himself named by Rove to the spot as US attorney for
Arkansas. So what we may have here is a case of the perpetrator of
voter fraud becoming the prosecutor. I mean, it is — and what this is
all about — in fact, I have an internal Tim Griffin email — what this
is all about is, he says it’s all about the votes. This is about the
2008 election, a panic to get their people in place for 2008 to create
hysteria about voter ID, knock out minority voters, especially
Hispanic, and to put in their people who are experienced in knocking
out voters.
AMY GOODMAN: I want to go more into this after break. We’re talking to
Greg Palast. His book just came out on paperback. It’s called Armed
Madhouse: From Baghdad to New Orleans. Stay with us.
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AMY GOODMAN: We’re talking to Greg Palast, investigative journalist,
author of Armed Madhouse: From Baghdad to New Orleans. Investigative
journalist Murray Waas reported last week the Bush administration has
withheld emails showing senior White House and Justice Department
officials collaborated to conceal the role of White House strategist
Karl Rove in installing his former deputy, Timothy Griffin as US
attorney in Arkansas. The emails show that Attorney General Alberto
Gonzales’s former chief of staff, D. Kyle Sampson, worked with White
House officials on two letters that misled Congress on the appointment
and also Rove’s role in that. Greg?
GREG PALAST: Well, yeah. They were covering up the fact that Tim
Griffin was Rove’s right-hand man. And you have to understand, Rove, as
the political director at the White House, was deeply involved in
targeting and taking out the US attorneys who were recalcitrant and
wouldn’t start handcuffing Hispanic voters on false voter charges. They
also know that it’s a slippery slope, because they know that I have 500
of the so-called missing emails.
In fact, that’s one of the points that — in one of their internal
emails, which was actually subpoenaed by the committee, they’re
complaining about that guy, the British reporter — that’s Greg Palast.
As you realize, Amy, I’m American. But, of course, my reports are
exiled to BBC Britain, and then they come back here through Democracy
Now!, bless you. But they’re saying that these reports about Griffin’s
role have not been picked up in the US media, in the US national media.
And they’re kind of right. I mean, this material has not come through
the US media.
They don’t want Griffin’s role opened up, because once they have the
role of Griffin in the firings opened up, they’ll ask why that
happened. They will find and discover these emails, and, in fact, now
that they’re public, will turn them over to the Conyers committee, and
then they’ll find out that Griffin was deeply involved in the removal
of legal voters. And now you’re getting into potential felony area.
That’s a very serious business. So they want to stop the slippery slope
of bringing in Griffin and revealing the entire chain of emails, not
just his involvement in the firings, but what led up to it, and that
brings us to the emails that you just saw on our report.
AMY GOODMAN: In this whole scandal, we keep hearing about voter fraud,
voter fraud. But can you explain what is being talked about here with
this aggressive effort to restrict, particularly people of color,
voting in battleground states?
GREG PALAST: What happened is that the Republican Party was running a
massive campaign directed by Karl Rove and, we know, Tim Griffin, from
the written emails, to block voters’ votes or to challenge their votes.
One way to challenge voters was to say that they were stealing someone
else’s identity. Someone is voting for Amy Goodman. Well, they say, the
solution is to create ID cards. The problem is we can’t find anyone
anywhere who has committed this crime of stealing Amy Goodman’s name to
vote. People are not willing to go to jail to vote in some school board
election or even for the presidency.
What Griffin, Rove’s assistant, wanted Iglesias to do — they gave them
110 names. They wanted them, for example, to arrest some guy named,
say, roughly, if I remember, like Juan Gonzalez, and say he voted
twice, stealing someone’s ID. Well, in New Mexico there may be two guys
named Juan Gonzalez. So Iglesias just thought this was absolute junk,
absolute junk stuff, and he wouldn’t do it. So it’s all about trying to
create a hysteria about fraudulent voting.
There are 120 million people that voted, and I can’t find an actual
case out of 120 of a prosecution that — a real prosecution of any
single voter for voter identity theft. There is like five cases in the
country involving some minor offices. That’s it. So it’s a complete
false prosecution set-up, kind of like the Soviet Union: just grab
people, put them on show trials, maybe let them go later, maybe they
languish in jail.
On the other side, they’re covering up their own program, programmatic
challenge of voters, which is not covered in the US press. Three
million people were challenged. By the way, this isn’t, you know, from
the Democracy Now! black helicopter. This is from the raw data of the
United States Election Assistance Commission: three million challenges.
These votes were basically lost. Over a million votes were lost. Half a
million absentee ballots were thrown out, and many, many of those were
votes of African American and Hispanic soldiers that went to Iraq, got
their ballots challenged under this Karl Rove-Tim Griffin scheme, and
they lost their vote. And they didn’t even know that they lost their
vote. So all of this is being covered up.
And so, they cannot now — they don’t want to open up the whole story of
Tim Griffin, how he became US attorney, what his role was, because it
goes all the way back. And what David Iglesias was saying, US attorney,
now captain — by the way, he’s back in the military — Captain Iglesias
was saying, if you can show this chain of intent, that it’s all about
the voting and he’s being punished for not bringing these false
prosecutions, he says, that’s an obstruction of justice charge that can
be brought against Karl Rove.
And, by the way, one little sidelight on that is that Captain Iglesias,
one of the excuses that they try to give for firing him, Amy, was that
he was absent for too many days from office. They didn’t mention that
he was absent because he was on active duty in the US Naval Reserve. He
is now, by the way, bringing the very first claim ever. You cannot fire
someone for doing their duty in the US Naval Reserve. He’s now filing a
charge against the commander-in-chief, George Bush, for attempting to
fire him for simply showing up for active duty.
AMY GOODMAN: The Arkansas Leader reported enterprising reporters
examining Griffin’s fanciful resume discovered his blistering record as
a prosecutor was nothing more than paper shuffling in short stints in
the Army Judge Advocate General’s Corps and federal prosecutor offices.
He had never taken a single case to trial. His career had consisted
almost altogether of political hatchet work.
GREG PALAST: Well, you have to look at what’s going on here. You’ve
replaced Iglesias, who is, you know, the Tom Cruise lawyer who has real
experience as a prosecutor, as a trial lawyer from the military. They
remove him, and they put in a paper shuffler — worse, someone who is
actually shuffling voters’ papers that he shouldn’t be shuffling. You
saw the kind of emotional reaction of Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., voting
rights attorney. He was the most emotional, because you have to imagine
— remember that his father, his late father, was the predecessor to
Alberto Gonzales. Imagine, we’ve gone from Robert F, Kennedy, Sr., to
Roberto Gonzales.
AMY GOODMAN: Alberto.
GREG PALAST: Yeah. And you can, you know — from Kennedy’s, this was
very an emotional issue. To see the office that his father used to
protect civil rights being used deliberately to attack civil rights is
a very serious business. But, again, here he is saying, and Iglesias is
suggesting now with this evidence, that it rises now to obstruction of
justice.
AMY GOODMAN: And, interestingly, McClatchy Newspapers reporting, as
part of the strategy, the Justice Department’s Civil Rights Division
has sought to roll back policies to protect minority voting rights. On
virtually every significant decision affecting election balloting since
2001, the division’s voting rights section has come down on the side of
Republicans.
GREG PALAST: Well, even worse, what’s not covered there is that they
covered up the active attack on legal voters. I mean, you’re talking —
the caging lists that we have, in the 500 sheets, the 500 emails, we
have 70,000 names. That’s one state. This was a multimillion-dollar,
gold-plated attack operation on the right of minority voters to vote.
And, obviously, Griffin knew it, because he was in charge of it. So you
actually have the guys who are supposed to be protecting voters are
either actively covering up or even actively participating in knocking
out legal voters. I mean, it’s like the mob has grabbed the police
department. That’s the problem, by the way, with voter fraud — with
real voter fraud, not the phony stuff of grabbing the Juan Gonzalezes
of New Mexico — if you win, you’ve now grabbed the apparatus of
protection and enforcement. It’s the perfect crime.
AMY GOODMAN: Well, we’re going to leave it there. I want to thank you
very much, Greg Palast, for joining us. Greg, an investigative
journalist, latest book just out in paperbook called Armed Madhouse:
From Baghdad to New Orleans, Sordid Secrets and Strange Tales of a
White House Gone Wild.
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