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Written by Mike Whitney   
Thursday, 22 February 2007
by Mike Whitney

 “The US economy is in danger of a recession that will prove unusually long and severe. By any measure it is in far worse shape than in 2001-02 and the unraveling of the housing bubble is clearly at hand. It seems that the continuous buoyancy of the financial markets is again deluding many people about the gravity of the economic situation.”
Dr. Kurt Richebacher

“The history of all hitherto society is the history of class struggles.”
Karl Marx

This week’s data on the sagging real estate market leaves no doubt that the housing bubble is quickly crashing to earth and that hard times are on the way. “The slump in home prices from the end of 2005 to the end of 2006 was the biggest year over year drop since the National Association of Realtors started keeping track in 1982.” (New York Times) The Commerce Dept announced that the construction of new homes fell in January by a whopping 14.3%. Prices fell in half of the nation’s major markets and “existing home sales declined in 40 states”. Arizona, Florida, California, and Virginia have seen precipitous drops in sales. The Commerce Department also reported that “the number of vacant homes increased by 34% in 2006 to 2.1 million at the end of the year, nearly double the long-term vacancy rate.” (Marketwatch)

The bottom line is that inventories are up, sales are down, profits are eroding, and the building industry is facing a steady downturn well into the foreseeable future. 
 
The ripple effects of the housing crash will be felt throughout the overall economy; shrinking GDP, slowing consumer spending and putting more workers in the growing unemployment lines.

Congress is now looking into the shabby lending practices that shoehorned millions of people into homes that they clearly cannot afford. But their efforts will have no affect on the loans that are already in place. $1 trillion in ARMs (Adjustable Rate Mortgages) are due to reset in 2007 which guarantees that millions of over-leveraged homeowners will default on their mortgages putting pressure on the banks and sending the economy into a tailspin. We are at the beginning of a major shake-up and there’s going to be a lot more blood on the tracks before things settle down.

The banks and mortgage lenders are scrambling for creative ways to keep people in their homes but the subprime market is already teetering and foreclosures are on the rise.

There’s no doubt now, that Fed chairman Alan Greenspan’s plan to pump zillions of dollars into the system via “low interest rates” has created the biggest monster-bubble of all time and set the stage for a deep economic retrenchment. Greenspan’s inflationary policies were designed to expand the “wealth gap” and create greater economic polarization between the classes. By the time the housing bubble deflates, millions of working class Americans will be left to pay off loans that are considerably higher than the current value of their home. This will inevitably create deeper societal divisions and, very likely, a permanent underclass of mortgage-slaves.

A shrewd economist and student of history like Greenspan knew exactly what the consequences of his low interest rates would be. The trap was set to lure in unsuspecting borrowers who felt they could augment their stagnant wages by joining the housing gold rush. It was a great way to mask a deteriorating economy by expanding personal debt.

The meltdown in housing will soon be felt in the stock market which appears to be lagging the real estate market by about 6 months. Soon, reality will set in on Wall Street just as it has in the housing sector and the “loose money” that Greenspan generated with his mighty printing press will flee to foreign shores.

It looks as though this may already be happening even though the stock market is still flying high. On Friday, the government reported that net capital inflows reversed from the requisite $70 billion to AN OUTFLOW OF $11 BILLION!

The current account deficit (which includes the trade deficit) is running at roughly $800 billion per year, which means that the US must attract about $70 billion per month of foreign investment (US Treasuries or securities) to compensate for America’s extravagant spending. When foreign investment falters, as it did in December, it puts downward pressure on the greenback to make up for the imbalance. Everbank’s Chuck Butler put it like this:

“Not only did the buying stop in December by foreigners in December, but the outflows were huge! Domestic investors increased their buying of long-term overseas securities from $37 billion to a record $46 billion. This is a classic illustration of ‘lack of funding’. So, the question I asked the desk was… ‘Why isn’t the euro skyrocketing?’”

Why, indeed? Why would central banks hold onto their flaccid greenbacks when the foundation which keeps it propped up has been removed?

The answer is complex but, in essence, the rest of the world has loaned the US a pair of crutches to bolster the wobbly dollar while they prepare for the eventual meltdown. China and Japan are currently hold over $1.7 trillion in US currency and US-based assets and can hardly afford to have the ground cut out from below the dollar.

There are, however, limits to the “generosity of strangers” and foreign banks will undoubtedly be pressed to take more extreme measures as it becomes apparent that Team Bush plans to produce as much red ink as humanly possible.

December’s figures indicate that foreign investment is drying up and the world is no longer eager to purchase America’s lavish debt. The only thing the Federal Reserve can do is raise interest rates to attract foreign capital or let the dollar fall in value. The problem, of course, is that if the Fed raises rates, the real estate market will collapse even faster which will strangle consumer spending and shrivel GDP. In other words, we are at the brink of two separate but related crises; an economic crisis and a currency crisis. That means that the unsuspecting American people are likely to be ground between the two mill-wheels of hyperinflation and shrinking growth.

In real terms, the economy is already in recession. The growth numbers are regularly massaged by the Commerce Department to put a smiley face on an underperforming economy. Industrial output continues to flag (In January it was down by another .5%) while millions good paying factory jobs are being air-mailed to China where labor is a mere fraction of the cost in the USA. Also, automobile inventories are up while factory production is in freefall.

In addition, new jobless claims soared to 357,000 in the week ending February 10. 44,000 more desperate workers have been given their pink slips so they can join the huddled masses in Bush’s Weimar Dystopia.

December’s net capital inflows are a grim snapshot of the looming disaster ahead. As the housing bubble loses steam, maxxed-out American consumers will face increasing job losses and mounting debt. At the same time, foreign investment will move to more promising markets in Asia and Europe causing a steep rise in interest rates. This is bound to be a stunning blow to the banks which are low on reserves ($44 billion) but have generated $4.5 trillion in shaky mortgage debt in the last 6 years.

It’s all bad news. The global liquidity bubble is limping towards the reef and when it hits it’ll send shock-waves through the global economic system.

Is it any wonder why the foreign central banks are so skittish about dumping the dollar? No one really relishes the idea of a quick slide into a global recession followed by years of agonizing recovery.

Maybe that’s why Secretary of Treasury Hank Paulson has reassembled the Plunge Protection Team and installed a hotline to his Chinese counterpart so he can quickly respond to sudden gyrations in the stock market or a freefalling greenback; two of the calamities he could be facing in the very near future.

Greenspan has successfully piloted the nation into virtual insolvency. In fact, the parallels between our present situation and the period preceding the Great Depression are striking. Just as massive debt was accumulating in the market from the purchase of stocks “on margin”, so too, mortgage debt between 2000 and 2006 soared from $4.8 trillion to $9.5 trillion. In both cases the “wealth effect” spawned a spending spree which looked like growth but was really the steady, insidious expansion of debt which generated economic activity. In both periods wages were either flat or declining and the gap between rich and working class was growing more extreme by the year. As Paul Alexander Gusmorino said in his article, “Main Causes of the Great Depression”:

"Many factors played a role in bringing about the depression; however, the main cause for the Great Depression was the combination of the greatly unequal distribution of wealth throughout the 1920's, and the extensive stock market speculation that took place during the latter part that same decade".

The same factors are at work today except that the speculation is in real estate rather than stocks. Just as in the 1920’s the equity bubble was not created by wages keeping pace with productivity (the healthy formula for growth) but by the expansion of personal debt. Also, one could buy stocks without the money to purchase them, just as one can buy a $600,000 or $700,000 house today with zero-down and no monthly payment on the principle for years to come. The current account deficit ($800 billion) could also weigh heavily in any economic shake-up that may be forthcoming. Bob Chapman of The International Forecaster made this shocking calculation about America’s out-of-control trade deficit:

"US debt was up 10.1% to $4.085 trillion and accounts for 58.8% of all the credit issued globally last year. That means the US expanded credit at a much faster rate than the economy grew. This was borrowing to maintain a higher standard of living and attempt to pay for it tomorrow."

Think about that; the US sucked up nearly 60% of ALL GLOBAL CREDIT in one year alone. That is truly astonishing.

There are many similarities between the pre-Depression era and our own. Paul Alexander Gusmorino says:

"The Great Depression was the worst economic slump ever in U.S. history, and one which spread to virtually all of the industrialized world. The depression began in late 1929 and lasted for about a decade....The excessive speculation in the late 1920's kept the stock market artificially high, but eventually lead to large market crashes. These market crashes, combined with the misdistribution of wealth, caused the American economy to capsize.

(The income disparity) between the rich and the middle class grew throughout the 1920's. While the disposable income per capita rose 9% from 1920 to 1929, those with income within the top 1% enjoyed a stupendous 75% increase in per capita disposable income…A major reason for this large and growing gap between the rich and the working-class people was the increased manufacturing output throughout this period. From 1923-1929 the average output per worker increased 32% in manufacturing8. During that same period of time average wages for manufacturing jobs increased only 8% (This ultimately causes a decrease in demand and leads to growth in credit spending)

The federal government also contributed to the growing gap between the rich and middle-class. Calvin Coolidge's (pro business) administration passed the Revenue Act of 1926, which reduced federal income and inheritance taxes dramatically…(At the same time) the Supreme Court ruled minimum-wage legislation unconstitutional.

The bottom three quarters of the population had an aggregate income of less than 45% of the combined national income; while the top 25% of the population took in more than 55% of the national income...Between 1925 and 1929 the total credit more than doubled from $1.38 billion to around $3 billion”. (Just like now, the growing wage gap has spawned massive speculative bubbles as well as a steady up-tick in credit spending. Wage stagnation forces workers to seek other opportunities for getting ahead. When wages fail to keep pace with productivity then demand naturally decreases and business begins to flag. The only way to spur more buying is by easing interest rates or expanding personal credit, and that is when equity bubbles begin to appear. That's what happened to the stock market before 1929 as well as to the real estate market in 2007. The availability of credit has kept the housing market afloat but, ultimately, the resultwill be the same.

On Monday October 21, 1929, the over-valued stock market began its downward plunge. It managed a brief mid-week comeback, but 7 days later on Black Tuesday it plummeted again; 16 million shares were dumped and there were no buyers.

The game was over.

Confidence evaporated overnight. People stopped buying on credit, the bubble-economy collapsed, and the mighty locomotive for growth, the American consumer, hobbled into the Great Depression. Tariffs were thrown up, foreigners stopped buying American goods; banks closed, business went bust, and unemployment skyrocketed. Tens years later the country was still reeling from the implosion.

Now, 77 years later, Greenspan has led us sheep-like to the same precipice. The economic dilemma we’re facing could have been avoided if the expansion of personal credit had been curtailed by prudent monetary policy at the Federal Reserve and if wealth was more evenly distributed as it was in the ‘60s and ‘70s. But that’s not the case; so we’re headed for hard times.
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a guest: Illusion of Prosperity: Artificial Equity Begins to Vanish http://www.mossback.net/bubble.htm
Housing Bubble Burst: The sky has fallen.

Where did all the scoffers go with their mockery? The silence is deafening...
People made fun of Noah building the ark until it started raining

The downward spiral of America has become obvious to the world. I believe the federal government has run out of ideas for a *Bubble economy. The Second Depression is well under way.

Thank you Mike for the great article my friend!
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February 23, 2007
a guest: Wishful Thinking http://jdaniele777@yahoo.com
Battles of Classes? Economic bubbles? Of course there is going to be a depression in every free market there is always a bottoming out. In the Marxist economy 97% of the people are always bottomed out and the other 3% live high on the hog. I saw the 80 some sports cars and the several fuel trucks that Brezchnev owned during his tenure as Premier....Power to the People my ass.

China is in for a big surprise when the US economy goes in the toilet. Millions of very unhappy economically liberated Chinese are going tear into the Chinese government....oooh that ain't going to be very pretty.

In a free society, depressions/recession bring losers and winners. I never really understood why you guys refer to the depression of the 1929 to 1936 is a great, but I do know that a lot of people made a great profit from the great losers. Ooops...I used the dirty word profit.

I spent a lot of time behind the so called "Iron Curtain" and anyone who think the communism is the answer to mankind's, sorry humankind's, is friggin living a wet dream. Marxism nothing more than a fancy name for "Feudal System." The are only two types of governoring: Self governered people with dispursed power or a feudal system where people live under the governorship of benevolent or evil rulership.

My father was an immigrant from Italy (1908). I came home from school one day and asked him what was his definition of Democracy. Being an immigrant, I figured he would have a good defintion and he did.

These words I'll never forget: "Son, a democracy is a collection of dictatorships!" I was stunned, but he was right! It's better to have 50 states than one state and if you don't think New Mexico or some other state isn't a dictatorship try stepping on the authorities' toes. That ain't gonna be pretty.
And, that's all I've got to say about that." Forest Gump
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February 23, 2007
a guest: Engineer http://none
The above article is of course on the money, but leaves out one important factor. This coming depression, while being artificially stiff armed for now, will be hastened when the time is right. The coming merger of the US Mexico and Canada as the North American Union will be built upon the foundation of the collasped dollar. The Amero is waiting in the wings to take us into this new era. The dollar has been brought to the edge of the cliff and is about to be pushed over. There is a rush to put the other pieces in place in order to bring this about. The other pieces are assurances of financial success in this new era for those who orchestrate American politics.
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February 23, 2007
a guest: ...
OK, people are starting to see bad times just ahead. What are you doing to prepare for this? Your family still needs to eat and drink.

What will happen when the welfare checks stop? When the cupboards are bare?

People, you better get ready.

R&W
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February 23, 2007
a guest: End of the dollar, end of democracy http://www.iuniverse.com/books
Our paper 'money' is yet another violation of our Constitutional rights.
They violate the 1st Amendment by opening mail, caging demonstrators and banning books like "America Deceived" from Wiki.
They violate the 2nd Amendment by confiscating guns during Katrina.
They violate the 4th Amendment by conducting warrant-less wiretaps.
They violate the 5th and 6th Amendment by suspending habeas corpus.
They violate the 8th Amendment by torturing.
They violate the entire Constitution by starting 2 illegal wars based on lies and on behalf of a foriegn gov't.
The fall of the dollar will eliminate the rest of our Constitutional protections.
Last link (unless Google Books caves to the gov't and drops the title):
http://www.iuniverse.com/bookstore/book_detail.asp?&isbn=0-595-38523-0
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February 23, 2007
a guest: I agree with much of the article, but there are some other considerations...
Assuming a severe recession, if not total depression, breaks out, the question becomes how to handle it. Two positives here that the author is not catching. First, the Great Depression did not begin in the US and spread to the rest of the world. It was initially caused by a myopic attempt by the central bankers to restore the world to the gold standard that existed prior to WWI. In a global context, the US was one of the last to fall victim to the Great War's economic and monetary fallout. This time the US is the likely leader in bringing on a global slump and other foreign banks are trying to figure a way out of being dragged down, which Mr. Whitney alludes to in the article. On a positive note, one major difference between this 'crash' and the Great Depression is that the 1929 fall was based more on "claims to wealth" (i.e. stocks, bonds, etc.) than on real assets. People's houses are real assets, as opposed to claims. Yes, many will fall in value and you can argue the bank has the security on that, but unless another major weakening of bankruptcy laws occurs, most of these people will end up with the yoke of bankruptcy and ruined credit around their necks, but will stay in those houses. Also the last several years have seen a major conversion of apartments to condo-type dwellings, so more rental seekers will push up prices on rentals and I wouldn't be surprised to see a trend toward rental property conglomerates swooping in on failed mortgages, buying up condos and apartments, and renting them. That would sort of fit the neo-communist/neo-fascist approach that currently drives our government. Not much of a bright side, I know, but there will be currents and eddies in the coming economic crash to either avoid or swim into. For example, I expect global warming and the aging baby boomers to start selling out and downsizing en masse as the catastrophe unfolds. For some markets that will be a disaster, but for others, it will support values. The main thing to realize is that market efficiency theory, as we've all been taught, no longer holds true. Insiders know and act on everything ahead of time, behind the scenes. Follow them.
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February 23, 2007
a guest: Why we are in this mess http://Guest
Please read this article by Rep. Ron Paul, "Paper Money and Tyranny". Link: http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2003/cr090503.htm. It is rather long but it gives an overview of why we are in this mess. It is the unconstitutional Federal Reserve and our fiat money. You may ask, "What is a dollar?". A dollar is defined as a specific weight of silver --- 371.25 grains of silver. Now our "dollars" really FRN's are backed by nothing.
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February 23, 2007
a guest: Arranging Deck Chairs on the Titanic
Vacuous speculation on the collapse of the economy is like swatting at an offending gnat while being charged by a bull elephant. Unabated military spending on misguided martial adventures spanning the last century up to the present have already crushed the moral, ethical and political will of the American people, who are subservient to an unresponsive, non-representative government and know where profits are being made on wars and by whom.. For a better view of our economic future, the financial wizards of our society have
moved their Titanic deck chairs closer to the band, where they will tap their toes to the rythym of the economy until their socks are soggy.
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February 23, 2007
a guest: The Great Deepression is here! Millions out of jobs, Illegals raping this country! http://alexansary.com
I ask every citizen of USA,be honest with yourself. Why did you brought Bush back again. Now you suffer with great deepresion 2 , i am sorry he is going
to call Martial Law . Americans too busy with prostitutes, Hashish, and Beer, Wine.So what ever suffering misery comes to USA we all deserve it.We sat do nothing.
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February 23, 2007
a guest: How to Stay Alive
Other than funeral homes and criminal activities what sort of business prosper during a depression?
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February 23, 2007
a guest: response to a guest http://none
"It was initially caused by a myopic attempt by the central bankers to restore the world to the gold standard that existed prior to WWI."
Well total baloney spread out by monetarist bunch of traitors. Remember, officially dollar WAS on gold standard before and soon after crash. It was taken off that standard after crash in 1932 when Roosvelt stole peoples gold and soon after raised its exchange by 30% (from about 24$/oz he paid to american citizens to about 32$/oz avaliable to foreigners only. Until 1972 gold was backed by dollar in foreign exchange. What really happened at that time US government with cohoots with bank of England tried to prop up ailing pound that should be DEVALUED after WWI by about 50%. This was main reason there was huge credit expansion bases on fictional gold standard still official in US and most elsewhere in the world. Fictional because there was way more credit issued than gold in the coffers of the banks. What really happened in 1932 people figured that scam and went to banks to get their gold back. There was none of course, many banks went bankrupt so finally Roosvelt decided to get out of fictional gold standard as mentioned above. So get the facts straight and stop spread that nonsense.
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February 23, 2007
a guest: response to a guest http://none
"It was initially caused by a myopic attempt by the central bankers to restore the world to the gold standard that existed prior to WWI."
Well total baloney spread out by monetarist bunch of traitors. Remember, officially dollar WAS on gold standard before and soon after crash. It was taken off that standard after crash in 1932 when Roosvelt stole peoples gold and soon after raised its exchange by 30% (from about 24$/oz he paid to american citizens to about 32$/oz avaliable to foreigners only. Until 1972 gold was backed by dollar in foreign exchange. What really happened at that time US government with cohoots with bank of England tried to prop up ailing pound that should be DEVALUED after WWI by about 50%. This was main reason there was huge credit expansion bases on fictional gold standard still official in US and most elsewhere in the world. Fictional because there was way more credit issued than gold in the coffers of the banks. What really happened in 1932 people figured that scam and went to banks to get their gold back. There was none of course, many banks went bankrupt so finally Roosvelt decided to get out of fictional gold standard as mentioned above. So get the facts straight and stop spread that nonsense.
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February 23, 2007
a guest: Spread False Gospel - Collect Real Gold http://GreatRedDragon.com
Excellent article, Mike, as always.
In my title, "Gospel" means "Something accepted as unquestionably true."
Whether education, government statistcs, or religion, I suspect we have been entirely too trusting of those we hardly know. People can also blame individuals such as Greenspan, but I ask, WHO made him an AGENT? Who pulls Bush and Cheney's puppet strings? Who pulls Paulson's strings? These men are only AGENTS, not a power in themselves. Isn't it strange that when "they" needed a patsy back in the early 1900's, "they" pulled Woodrow Wilson out of Princeton to be President while they did their dirty work. And in similar circumstances, they have now pulled Bernanke out of Princeton, probably for identical purposes. It's up to us NOT to play the game. Otherwise, "evil" is rewarded with gold, and "good" gives it up. Always been and always will be. No matter how far back in history you want to go. And I'm not being smug. I'm almost 60 and only now beginning to understand. Too late for me. Sincerely hope it's not for you. Respectfully, Edward Ulysses Cate
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February 23, 2007
a guest: whats all the fuus about?
"America" is soon going to be a non-white/primarily Mexican nation. Immigrants make lots of babies. White people dont.
So the coming super depression is irrelevant. The language of commerce will be Spanish, the national sport will be soccer. There will be no jobs for whitey, economic collapse or not. And there is no such thing as a country that doesn't manufacture anything.
The current generation doesn't possess a hint of the work ethic. They wont take a job even if its offered (or show up regularly) - or get their hands dirty under any condition. Their entire exixtence revolves around music, fornication, stuffing their mouth, playing vid games. Then they live in their parents attic or basement for free.
It's a hundred times worse than you think.
The party is over - big time.
The U.S. future is not gloom and doom.
It's fatal.
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February 23, 2007
a guest: robert bolske
I suspect that just after the economic crash, The Power Elite will give us an offer.. Join with Mexico and Canada in the North American Union and accept the Amero as a new currancy,, or starve to death.

You dollar, redeemed at a value of 10 Amero cents, ..take it or leave it. The state is newly debt free....

If you object to loudly,, take it to the Mexican Marine Corps,, or The Canadian Armed Forces,,, they will be patroling your streets.
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February 23, 2007
a guest: The real cause of our bankruptcy.
Immediately after entering office Roosevelt put a 54% tarrif on German goods to please the Jews. This was the real start of WW II. Roosevelt did not care that this measure put l,500,000 Americans out of work at the depth of the Depression; only serving Jewish interests mattered. It is even worse today. Israel alone accounts for a quarter of the US debt since 1948. It is the most expensive and useless colony on Earth. The coming attack on Iran for Israel should finish off the US economy and dollar as well as a good part of the Army, Navy and Air Force.
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February 23, 2007
a guest: question
If the dollar falls in value will not the goods and services of the US become more sellable? Wouldn't that make up for the loss of value by the expansion of sales?
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February 23, 2007
a guest: Greetings from the UK
Hi Folks and welcome from good ol' bankrupt England. Yes! We too have succombed to huge asset inflation and runaway real estate prices. It's all gonna go horribly wrong very soon now.

I have greater faith in the American people restoring true freedom, the removal of the NeoCon loonies and the re-establishment of something resembling an honest currency system than I do of such things happening here in the UK. I am so desperate to avoid the coming catastrophe, I'm in the process of selling my home and leaving the UK permenantly. I'd rather earn a pittance and be debt free than live under the kind of debt slavery that exists here.
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February 23, 2007
a guest: .. but we own the countries on either side of Iran http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=CHO20070221&articleId=4888
How does the planned invasion play into the economic reset button?

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=CHO20070221&articleId=4888
"Theater Iran Near Term" (TIRANNT)

All we need is the next pearl harbor/911 demolition event. A false flag on Easter would do the trick. To allign the world again against all Islam and Israel's enemies. Draft HR 393 already in place at the same moment as the Bush's surge speech. This time all persons age 18 - 42.

A nuclear war of this magnitude would erase the economic woes and set in motion the collection of dictatorships in Bush fatherland .. and the re-elections would be suspended indefinitely.

Old Texan .. age 47 (not draft age) ... for me .. I collect euros, tampons, cigs and ebay car parts for the new currency.

Have a good weekend while the sun still shines ...
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February 23, 2007
a guest: SECOND GREAT DEPRESSION
I DON'T MEAN TO BURST ANYONE'S BUBBLE, BUT IF PEOPLE NEW WHAT WAS COMING THEY WOULD EITHER MAKE THINGS RIGHT WITH GOD ALMIGHTY OR TAKE THEIR OWN LIVES AND GO ON TO THEIR REWARD IN THE HELL THAT IS WAITING FOR THE ONE'S THAT DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A GOD.THIS THING THAT'S ABOUT TO HAPPEN IS MORE, MUCH MORE THAN JUST A DEPRESSION. WE ARE APPROACHING THE FIRST PART OF THE SEVEN YEAR TRIBULATION, SPOKE OF IN THE BIBLE, WHERE THE SON OF PERDITION, THE SON OF SATAN TAKES FULL CONTROL OF THIS WORLD. THE THINGS THAT HAPPEN IN THIS TIME PERIOD WILL BE WORSE THAN THE WORLD HAS EVER KNOWN OR EVER WILL KNOW AGAIN. IT STARTS OFF WITH LIES ON TOP OF LIES THAT WILL DECIEVE EVERYONE THAT DO NOT KNOW THE TRUTH. A ONE WORLD LEADER THAT STEPS IN TO SAVE HUMANITY FROM IT SELF ONLY TO ENSLAVE AND BRAIN WASH MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS WITH HIS SO CALLED MIRACLES AND MAGIC. HE WILL GIVE THE IMPRESSION THAT HE IS THE MESSIAH, GOD HIMSELF, AND HAVING EVERYONE HE CAN FOOLED HE WILL THEN IN THE FIRST 3 1/2 YEARS OF HIS RULE EXPOSE HIMSELF TO BE WHO HE REALLY IS.THOSE THAT ARE FOOLED BY HIM AND TAKE HIS MARK WILL BE DAMNED FOR ETERNITY WITH HIM AND HIS ANGELS. A SECOND DEPRESSION IS NOTHING COMPARED TO WHAT IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN. KEEP YOUR EYES AND EARS OPEN AND SEEK THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN TRULY BRING US INTO ANOTHER LIFE OF PEACE, JESUS CHRIST OF NAZARETH.
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February 23, 2007
a guest: they are ALL capitalist 1 party dictatorships!
as a FORMER american (New Yorker born and raised) and as someone who now lives in Shanghai China and can say a few things heres.

ones is that there is and has NEVER really been such things as a democratic and free nation just as there has NEVER been a communist nation. what is becoming ever more that we ALL have around this world (thanks to vile, profit over people and environment mega-corporations) is CAPITALIST, ONE-PARTY DICTATORSHIPS! This is worldwide and dont even dare and say usa has a 2 party system! if U do ya really need a smack upside your conditioned sleeping head!

what will happen... and I say this as a ad/marketing professional is that BY DESIGN, usa will and IS falling into a 3rd world society as the powers that be have known for some time a few simple ideas. one is that the marketing tricks don't work in America (the west) any longer. couple that with their view that americans cost too much to pay.

now... we can put ourselves in the mindset of these vile corporations and see how they look at Asia (China). Over 1/2 the world's population and virgins as far as the marketing game.

so what to do? build the middle class (as is happing now all over asia and in China) and make them the worlds biggest consumer... at least for the next few decades.

see boys and girls... its all a revolution... it goes in circles and until human kind wakes up an realizes that profit (money) is evil and fictitious and we start working for other motivations then the elite will continue ti play the game.

sorry meriKKKa... you are designated to have decades of dark days ahead... and i must say... you all deserve it! personally... I have absolutely zero patriotism as I know the fact is that nations are myths!


ciao!
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February 24, 2007
a guest: Whitney has got it backwards
There isn't going to be any depression. It was decided long ago that short term but severe pain such as a depression to bring economics back into balance was replaced with mild long term discomfort of currency and price inflation.

These statements are backed by the facts of monstrous increase in money supply, ease of credit such as credit cards in everyones mailbox and a never ending credit line that doesn't get paid off.

The financial markets know and they are buying up hard assets and commodities. Gold is moving towards all time highs and silver will be the talk of the town before the year closes out.
Real Estate will/is finding support and will be fine.

What is the answer to protect yourself?
Answer: Keep up with inflation from monetized debt and buy, buy , buy silver and silver coins which could see a 300% increase this year.
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February 24, 2007
a guest: ...
Lots of variables going on here at the same time so its difficult to put a complete picture together; but I do disagree with the writer who thinks that bankruptcy protection laws will allow people to stay in their homes.

I think what we are witnessing here is a war on Americans, but it is more of a high-tech financial war. Here is how it works. First television and magazines are flooded with images of a good lifestyle. Americans look at their homes and feel sub-standard and then refinance their homes in order to purchase the lifestyles that appear in magazines and as backdrops in movies and television. Banks are ready for their phones to ring because Greenspan sparked the party with low-interest rates which in turn artificially raised home values.

But the home values are artificial and will stay high only long enough for the banks to extract hundreds of billions in interest money from new home buyers, downpayment money from new home buyers, and equity from those who finally gave in to the ditech commercials and refinanced their homes which already had a fair amount of equity in them.

Now surprise to the individual who thinks the victums of loan rate resets or job loss will be able to file bankruptcy and keep a car and a home. It turns out that many of the mortgages are immediately sold to mortgage clearing houses like Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae which inturn repackage multiple mortgages into Mortgage Backed Securities called MBS's and are sold to Japan, China, and the UK asw well as US investors. Many have been sold to China. So the net effect is....Watch TV...see lifestyle....take loan and buy Chinese goods to achieve lifestyle....loan resets or inflation due to a weak dollar causes you to miss mortgage payments....forclosure....but here is what is different...banks don't own the homes...foreign bond holders do...many of which are Chinese. They are not going to let you live in their homes....you think its yours...but if you owe money and have a mortgage...you are renting from the Chinese...and they will not have payment plans available.

This time, the Government will not be there for us. We have grown up with terms like unemployment, welfare, disability, bankruptcy protection,...and a host of other terms that make us think....they will be there for us in some form or another. This time a huge trap has been set by people in Washington...who if traced back to the revolutionary days...would turn out to be the Loyalists...the ones who supported the Crown.

The war has been going on in this country aginst Americans for decades and the Americans never knew they were being fought. Read the samll print of the bankruptcy laws. If you can't make mortgage payments you will have to leave the home.

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February 24, 2007
a guest: ...
I DON'T MEAN TO BURST ANYONE'S BUBBLE, BUT IF PEOPLE NEW WHAT WAS COMING THEY WOULD EITHER MAKE THINGS RIGHT WITH GOD ALMIGHTY OR TAKE THEIR OWN LIVES AND GO ON TO THEIR REWARD IN THE HELL THAT IS WAITING FOR THE ONE'S THAT DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A GOD.THIS THING THAT'S ABOUT TO HAPPEN IS MORE, MUCH MORE THAN JUST A DEPRESSION. WE ARE APPROACHING THE FIRST PART OF THE SEVEN YEAR TRIBULATION, SPOKE OF IN THE BIBLE, WHERE THE SON OF PERDITION, THE SON OF SATAN TAKES FULL CONTROL OF THIS WORLD. THE THINGS THAT HAPPEN IN THIS TIME PERIOD WILL BE WORSE THAN THE WORLD HAS EVER KNOWN OR EVER WILL KNOW AGAIN. IT STARTS OFF WITH LIES ON TOP OF LIES THAT WILL DECIEVE EVERYONE THAT DO NOT KNOW THE TRUTH. A ONE WORLD LEADER THAT STEPS IN TO SAVE HUMANITY FROM IT SELF ONLY TO ENSLAVE AND BRAIN WASH MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS WITH HIS SO CALLED MIRACLES AND MAGIC. HE WILL GIVE THE IMPRESSION THAT HE IS THE MESSIAH, GOD HIMSELF, AND HAVING EVERYONE HE CAN FOOLED HE WILL THEN IN THE FIRST 3 1/2 YEARS OF HIS RULE EXPOSE HIMSELF TO BE WHO HE REALLY IS.THOSE THAT ARE FOOLED BY HIM AND TAKE HIS MARK WILL BE DAMNED FOR ETERNITY WITH HIM AND HIS ANGELS. A SECOND DEPRESSION IS NOTHING COMPARED TO WHAT IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN. KEEP YOUR EYES AND EARS OPEN AND SEEK THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN TRULY BRING US INTO ANOTHER LIFE OF PEACE, JESUS CHRIST OF NAZARETH.
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February 24, 2007
a guest: a guest: question
ow... we can put ourselves in the mindset of these vile corporations and see how they look at Asia (China). Over 1/2 the world's population and virgins as far as the marketing game.

so what to do? build the middle class (as is happing now all over asia and in China) and make them the worlds biggest consumer... at least for the next few decades.

see boys and girls... its all a revolution... it goes in circles and until human kind wakes up an realizes that profit (money) is evil and fictitious and we start working for other motivations then the elite will continue ti play the game.

sorry meriKKKa... you are designated to have decades of dark days ahead... and i must say... you all deserve it! personally... I have absolutely zero patriotism as I know the fact is that nations are myths!
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February 24, 2007
a guest: ...
ow... we can put ourselves in the mindset of these vile corporations and see how they look at Asia (China). Over 1/2 the world's population and virgins as far as the marketing game.

so what to do? build the middle class (as is happing now all over asia and in China) and make them the worlds biggest consumer... at least for the next few decades.

see boys and girls... its all a revolution... it goes in circles and until human kind wakes up an realizes that profit (money) is evil and fictitious and we start working for other motivations then the elite will continue ti play the game.

sorry meriKKKa... you are designated to have decades of dark days ahead... and i must say... you all deserve it! personally... I have absolutely zero patriotism as I know the fact is that nations are myths!
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February 24, 2007
a guest: ...
Hi Folks
Just wondering.....the great depression seemed to come to an end with ww2. Could the PTB see all this happening and thats why the next big war is on our doorstep? ie a REALLY BIG war economy MAY stop the rot?
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February 24, 2007
a guest: we asked for it. http://Thank you
Well,why is everyone so excited?This has been in the works for many years and we all just sat idly by and watched .Where to start ...The moral fiber breakdown of the young(Drugs,sex,selfishness,lack of work ethic and on) that most seem to never come out of.Sports above all else.A complete willfull ignorance to the all around negative reality of our future on the current course of society.We have become a society of people who basically say "If it doesn't directly affect me I don't care".Presidential candidate Col."Bo" Gritz was our last hope and said it all in '92...But not many heard.Life has become too easy here ,we are a bunch of spoiled kids.True Conservancy is an extinct species. It will take alot of suffering,pain,heartbreak and loss for Americans to wake up .Maybe more than most can take.Think of all the vets of past wars that lost life and limb based on protecting our freedom that if ever existed is about to be flushed for the NAU.Welcome to the NWO.It is very sad that the newest Americans(children)will grow up not knowing the world WE grew up in.We gave it away for pleasures....
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February 24, 2007
a guest: Interesting stuff.
Actually, and oddly, I tend to go with the guy who has to write in capitals. I might not like the syntax, but he's got it approximately dead on.

I was raised in an evangelical (Assemblies of God) type environment, and to cut a long story short, have seen that whole scene subverted into the "something evil [Spielberg]" type edifice.

This is fairly evident to a bunch of us folks in Canada and the USA (even) and here in the UK. What is coming is serious, and yes, tends to look like an engineered disaster.

This is where it gets hard from the point of view of explaining it up. What is a guy with my background going to do? Go back to books on economics and chew the fat? Possible.... though I'm a mathematician by trade, reluctant to give up my day job and find that stuff a bit taxing (if you will pardon the pun). But that means that I have to ignore all that stuff from the 70's when I was a kid and the church was not flying off the rails.

The guy with the capital letters actually has the biblical bit correct. That comes out with difficulty but it's there.

The best thing you could under these circumstances I suppose is to make peace with the bloke upstairs, prepare for bad times but hope for the best. And do not, for Petes own sake, believe some messianic cut out who tells you about this great scheme he has for proving that USA capitalism is really, really OK and it will all work out. And prepare for a lot of war.

By the way, I'm not against the USA in the sense of despising them. I luve watching the Waltons, listening to Johhny Cash and greatly admire the Grateful Dead's music. So forget the stereotype stuff.

Man, I'm going to get flak for THIS little sucker.

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February 24, 2007
a guest: whitedragon http://a gassed
its not about ameros.its about global government.build and collapse global econmy,and the modernized countries[INCLUDING RUSSIA,CHINA,AND RESULTING COUNTRIES DEPENDANT ON THE MAJOR PLAYERS,LIKE IRAN}collapse.the result will be econmic chaos,and after all the misiry in all the countries,the rise of a global economic system.after that,global government will fall into place on its own.an illuminati saying-whoever the people vote for, they vote for us
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February 24, 2007
a guest: Treason for Treasure http://Bill
A long time ago, an America , I think he was involved in the banking industry. He was quoted somewhere about his own theory that the First Great Depression was nothing but a totally planned event. He believed that it was allowed to take place so that big business may become ",rulers of us all". For anyone who closes studies wars and political puppets, it might seem that these people in power seem to know when the time is right to buy or sell.

Right now, the Canadian Conservative Party is trying to sell the idea of putting away our borders and selling us on the idea that it will help make this continent safer. {From the war criminals in America!?} And that somehow we will benefit from it all andstill remain a sovereign country. No thanks. You might be nice to Canada simply because we live next door, but we have seen your true colours. Your own American government treats whole nations like playthings and the puppets you've now brainwashed and installed in Canada will probably find themselves on trial. Arrested for treason and fraud and working for the big business that only cares about itself. Yes, they know that great world events are about to take hold. Whether it's from enviromental changes or man made, America will always put itself first. You will never have my country as your own. You will not take my beloved nation down the hole with you America. You can take your new world order and put it where it belongs. America is so in debt that when the next big crash occures you'll be grabbing at everything around you to keep from sinking. You can no longer be trusted anymore until you hold your liars and war criminals accountable, And by the looks of things. They aren't going anywhere but up the ladder of success.
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February 24, 2007
a guest: 1Ti 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
DEBT, n. An ingenious substitute for the chain and whip of the slave-driver.

As, pent in an aquarium, the troutlet
Swims round and round his tank to find an outlet,
Pressing his nose against the glass that holds him,
Nor ever sees the prison that enfolds him;
So the poor debtor, seeing naught around him,
Yet feels the narrow limits that impound him,
Grieves at his debt and studies to evade it,
And finds at last he might as well have paid it.
—Barlow S. Vode


RADICALISM, n. The conservatism of to-morrow injected into the affairs of to-day.

I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.
Albert Einstein

I think that God in creating Man somewhat overestimated his ability.
Oscar Wilde

Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious.
Oscar Wilde

Democracy becomes a government of bullies tempered by editors.
Ralph Waldo Emerson

Public opinion is a weak tyrant compared with our own private opinion. What a man thinks of himself, that is which determines, or rather indicates, his fate.
Henry David Thoreau
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Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
Voltaire

If America shows weakness and uncertainty, the world will drift toward tragedy. That will not happen on my watch.
George W. Bush

Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle.
Plato

Only the dead have seen the end of war.
Plato

When we got into office, the thing that surprised me the most was that things were as bad as we'd been saying they were.
John F. Kennedy

If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich.
John F. Kennedy, inaugural address, January 20, 1961



The man who leaves money to charity in his will is only giving away what no longer belongs to him.
Voltaire, Letter (1769)

Be thankful we're not getting all the government we're paying for.
Will Rogers

Crime does not pay ... as well as politics.
Alfred E. Newman

The problem with political jokes is they get elected.
Henry Cate VII

A conservative is a man who sits and thinks, mostly sits.
Woodrow Wilson (1856 - 1924)

The radical of one century is the conservative of the next. The radical invents the views. When he has worn them out the conservative adopts them.
Mark Twain (1835 - 1910), Notebook, 1935

The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.
John Kenneth Galbraith (1908 - 2006)

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.
John Stuart Mill (1806 - 1873)


Political language -- and with variations this is true of all political parties, from Conservatives to Anarchists -- is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.
George Orwell (1903 - 1950), "Politics and the English Language", 1946


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February 24, 2007
a guest: 1Cr 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
Carouselambra
(Jones/Page/Plant)

Sisters of the way-side bide their time in quiet peace,
Await their place within the ring of calm;
Still stand to turn in seconds of release,
Await the call they know may never come.
In times of lightness, no intruder dared upon
To jeopardize the course, upset the run;
And all was joy and hands were raised toward the sun
As love in the halls of plenty overrun.
Still in their bliss unchallenged mighty feast,
Unending dances shadowed on the day.
Within their walls, their daunting formless keep,
Preserved their joy and kept their doubts at bay.
Faceless legions stood in readiness to weep,
Just turn a coin, bring order to the fray;
And everything is soon no sooner thought than deed,
But no one seemed to question in anyway.
How keen the storied hunter's eye prevails upon the land
To seek the unsuspecting and the weak;
And powerless the fabled sat, too smug to lift a hand
Toward the foe that threatened from the deep.
Who cares to dry the cheeks of those who saddened stand
Adrift upon a sea of futile speech?
And to fall to fate and make the 'status plan'
Where was your word, where did you go?
Where was your helping, where was your bow? Bow.
Dull is the armour, cold is the day.
Hard was the journey, dark was the way. Way.
I heard the word; I couldn't stay. Oh.
I couldn't stand it another day, another day,
Another day, another day.

Touched by the timely coming,
Roused from the keeper's sleep,
Release the grip, throw down the key.
Held now within the knowing,
Rest now within the peace.
Take of the fruit, but guard the seed.
They had to stay!
Held now within the knowing,
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February 24, 2007
a guest: ...
What I don't understand is how so many people are ignorant of these glaringly obvious problems, and many others mentioned by some of the commenters. An excellent and eye opening article by Mike Whitney, I only wish it could be made into a video game or a movie so that the mental giants that inhabit america with "us" might wake up before it is too late...
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February 24, 2007
a guest: anonymous
I am only 23, living with my parents. As a hard working entrepreneur, I can tell you that my entire life accomplishments and source of income is based on our economy being strong. Once that levy breaks, boy, we need to come to grips with a sobering fact: we are only animals. And animals do not have to worry about the strength of the dollar or the fluctuations in the economy.

We need to eat.
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February 24, 2007
a guest: World Passport , World National ID cards arrived! If Americans keep do nothing soon no USA is left? http://www.worldgovernment.org
World Government is issuing world passport and world national ID cards in
absent of Americans. World Passport has office in Washington DC.They print
World Passport which 5 nationals are accept it.http://worldgovernment.org/graphics/passportsm_new.jpg
THE WORLD...universally outgoing, conceptually unbounded, the planet dynamically, synergistically and organically one with itself and the cosmos.

CITIZENSHIP...the restrictive rights and duties within a given social structure.

The two words together seem paradoxical. "You can educate either the citizen or the man," wrote Thoreau. Yet in their union lies the potential success of the human species; in their non-union lies the demise of a fatally flawed creature which could not overcome its self-imposed global anarchy.
Please see the links as well. http://www.infowars.com - http://www.rense.com
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com ----
We know three things make Americans happy- Girls- Dope-and Alchohol. Shadow
Governmemnt of USA knows how to fool Americans like 911 and Iraq invasion.
World WAR 3 is coming soon by May 5 2007? Iran invasion ! We all have limited time to stop this war or we have wait for North American Union and Amero as new money for Mexico -USA- Canada? Also type pretext to North American Union in google video or youtube see it for yourself!Dont be idiots
USA is finished !
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February 24, 2007
a guest: The "plan to create" a North American Union in 2010 as a regional governmentcomprising
North American Union
From SourceWatch
The "plan to create" a North American Union in 2010 as a regional government—comprising a collective government for the United States, Canada, and Mexico—is "directly stated only" in the May 2005 task force report Building a North American Community published by the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), Jerome Corsi wrote June 26, 2006.

The "blueprint" which President George W. Bush is following to create a North American Union was "laid out" in the May 2005 report, Corsi wrote May 19, 2006. "The CFR report connects the dots between the Bush administration's actual policy on illegal immigration and the drive to create the North American Union."

Bush is "pursuing a globalist agenda to create a North American Union, effectively erasing our borders with both Mexico and Canada," which, Corsi wrote, is "the hidden agenda behind the Bush administration's true open borders policy."

The plan, Corsi wrote, is "contained" in the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America, "little noticed" by the mainstream media when President Bush, Mexico's President Vicente Fox, and Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin "created it" March 23, 2005, in a summit held at Waco, Texas.

A North American Union is being created "through a process of governmental regulations" and without ever "having to bring the issue before the American people for a clear referendum or vote," Corsi wrote May 24, 2006.





Contents
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1 Partnership for Prosperity
2 SPP Working Groups
3 NAFTA Super-Highways
4 Permanent Tribunal
5 Biometric Border Pass
6 North American Emergency Management
7 Bilateral and Trilateral Partnerships and Agreements
8 U.S. Legislation & Executive Orders
9 Testimony, Publications and Reports
10 News Releases
10.1 2001
10.2 2002
10.3 2003
10.4 2004
10.5 2005
10.6 2006
11 Published Works
12 External Links
12.1 General Information
12.2 Websites
12.3 Articles & Commentary
12.3.1 Series of Articles
12.3.2 1990-1999
12.3.3 2000-2004
12.3.4 2005
12.3.5 2006
12.3.6 2007
13 Related SourceWatch Resources
North American Union - SourceWatch
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February 24, 2007
a guest: The great depression of the 21st century is coming to a Home near you
Guess what ? American deserved it, they had it coming and will do them good, the only bad part is that the bastards who caused this will become more rich, and will gain more power. The end game is power and domination. Start looking to live overseas, only then will you be free. South America, Certain Eastern European nations.
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February 24, 2007
a guest: Nothing changes under the sun.
America the land of the couch potato. On the eve of destruction all will be glued to the screen of oblivion. Just as planned from years of demographic market study. Our lives are used up to those who can sell us out. Escape is only in reruns of gilligans island and American Idol. Shown on plasma screens mounted on walls of the production factories. Our minds filled with I tunes through government mandated I pods. All the while selling us a version of security and promise of a future that has disolved, and a debt that can't be paid off. Why doesn't my channel changer work any more?
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February 24, 2007
Annuit Coeptis, Novus Ordo Seclorium. Its on the back of a 1 dollar bill. It means "our enterprise is a succuss or crowned with success(annuit coeptis)" "new order of the world(novus ordo seclorium" Does America have the same will as those bostonians pitching their tea into the harbor or has the face of America changed? Instead of being the home of the brave, its the land of whomever. The powers that be have weakened us. "for we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against powers of darkness,.....against wickedness in high places" The video link above says it all, watch it!
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February 24, 2007
a guest: CANADIAN ACTION PARTY SAYS NO TO NORTH AMERICAN UNION ! WE WANT STAY CANADIAN! http://canadianactionparty.ca/nau.html
North American elite plotted 'evolution by stealth'

By Aaron Paton
Banff Crag & Canyon staff

Documents from a secret meeting held at the Fairmont Banff Springs
Hotel were released recently through the United States Freedom of
Information Act.
High-level politicians and business elite from Canada, the United
States and Mexico discussed whether openness about their goals or if
continued secrecy called "evolution by stealth" better suited their
plans for strengthening border infrastructure.
That's according to official minutes taken during a closed-door
conference held at the Springs.
The reference to secrecy supports the suspicions of former Green Party
candidate and Banff resident Chris Foote, who blew the whistle on the
event. He organized a protest more than a week after the September
meeting in front of the Springs, stating that he had been denied his
right to protest because the meeting was not announced to the public.
"Basically this is taking power away from the people and putting it
into corporate hands," Foote said.
Upon reading the released documents, he added that governments in
North America must become more transparent.
The issue, he said, is that North Americans should know that their
leaders are talking about "blurring the lines" of borders "until they
are meaningless."
The 2006 North American Forum, entitled Continental Prosperity in the
New Security Environment, was hosted by the Canadian Council of Chief
Executives with help from the Canada West Foundation at the Springs
from Sept. 12 to14.
Political and business elite from Canada, Mexico and the United States
met at the Springs to discuss forming deeper military and economic
ties. Discussions also touched on integrating energy supply, reducing
carbon emissions and closing the income gap between Mexico and the
U.S. and Canada.
According to released documents, attendees included Alberta Energy
Minister Greg Melchin, Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day, former
deputy Prime Minister John Manley, Council of Canadians CEO Thomas
d'Aquino, Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff General Peter Pace,
and Commander of US Northern Command Admiral Timothy Keating.
A panel moderated by Manley entitled 'Border Infrastructure and
Continental Prosperity' talked about the need for secrecy:
"To what degree does the concept of North America help/hinder solving
problems between the three countries," the minutes said. "While a
vision is appealing, working on the infrastructure might yield more
benefit and bring more people on board ('evolution by stealth.')"
Minutes from that discussion also said "NAFTA needs reaffirmation and
renewal."
According to the documents, former Alberta premier Peter Lougheed,
Mexico's former finance minister Pedro Aspe and former U.S. Secretary
of State George Shultz co-chaired the event. In their opening comments
they discussed increased military co-operation and combining
transportation networks across North America. The panel also said,
"governments are weak" in Canada, the U.S. and Mexico because they are
set up to focus on issues and priorities other than energy. The
minutes also said that governments are unable to properly address
energy issues like electricity. The co-chairs also discussed how to
use public concern over global warming to push an agenda of North
American integration, describing it as "an issue ripe for a North
American integrated approach."
"When (the) economy is strong public interest is strong in
environmental issues however when weak people are willing to make
tradeoffs," the minutes said.
Well-known writer and former political candidate Mel Hurtig posted
knowledge of the event on www.vivelecanada.ca in September, sparking
public interest and media attention.
"If I was concerned before when I read the initial documents about
those who were planning to attend I am infinitely concerned now,"
Hurtig said. "What we're looking at is an elite that is getting
together to try and get an agenda for the political economy for the
three North American countries. They obviously regard governments as
being weak and they have strength to make a very determined effort to
dramatically alter the direction of the three countries in the future,
essentially by bypassing government initially and then putting into
place a series of policies that will very much be of benefit to big
businesses."
He added that the "name of the game" for those who attended the event
is "number one: integration, and number two: harmonization."
"It's a very scary scenario and they are obviously very well-funded.
They don't want you to know about it and that should set off warning
bells for the populace of this country.
"Here's a high-powered group of people getting together. and they're
not interested in letting the public know what they're doing even
though what they're doing is of such enormous importance."
Very little information has been released from the Canadian Government
on the North American Forum. The Council of Canadians media officer
Meera Karunananthan said that the North American Forum involves many
of the same players as the Security Prosperity Partnership. In March
2005, Paul Martin, George W. Bush and Vicente Fox met in Waco Texas to
ratify the SPP of North America.
Like the North American Forum, Karunananthan said the main criticism
of the SPP is that it has given corporations unprecedented power and
the public has been left out of the debate.
Melisa Laclerc, director of communication for Public Safety Minister
Stockwell Day said that the SPP expresses a commitment to work
together with the U.S. and Mexico to build a safer, more secure and
economically dynamic North America.
"International cooperation in intelligence, border management, law
enforcement, and transportation security is helping to reduce criminal
activity and terrorist risks, thereby making our country more secure
and our communities safer, facilitating legitimate trade and travel,
and protecting our quality of life," she said. "By enhancing
cooperation across sectors (e.g., transportation, clean energy), the
SPP helps ensure that North America remains the most economically
dynamic region in an increasingly competitive world.
U.S. interest group Judicial Watch from United States Northern Command
recently obtained minutes, transcripts, meetings, agendas, notes, hand
outs and presentations. They were for Admiral Timothy Keating,
political advisor to Commander, US Northcom Deborah Bolton, and
director of plans, policy an strategy to Norad-Northcom, Mark
Volcheff.
According to the documents obtained by Judicial Watch the next North
American Forum will be held in Puerto Vallarta from October 12 to 14,
2007.
Judicial Watch has a similar FOIA request pending for information on
former U.S. Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld's involvement in the
forum.
Lougheed and Roger Gibbons, president of the Canada West Foundation
could not be reached for comment.The only journalist to cover the
event, Mary O'Grady from the Wall Street Journal did not return phone
calls or e-mails.

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Mel Hurtig thought you should see this. Mel is at (604) 684-8443.


For Immediate Release
Jan 29, 2007 Contact: Press Office
202-646-5188 http://www.prisonplanet.com http://wnd.com http://www.gcnlive.com NO TO NAU
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February 24, 2007
a guest: HAVE YOU SEEN CHEM TRAILS ON YOUR CITY AND VILLAGE AND COUNTRY? HAARP DOOMSDAY http://HTTP://WWW.WEATHERWARS.INFO
or nearly 40 years has technology been deployed to alter local weather conditions thereby affecting our global weather systems and then by default our climate? These are my thoughts as I observe the skies overhead and wonder who else in the atmospheric sciences community is attempting to quantify—as I am—these now obvious