Comments for CNN’s “journalism” is a fool’s paradise at http://atlanticfreepress.com , comment 1 to 74 out of 20 comments http://atlanticfreepress.com Thu, 09 Feb 2012 13:49:12 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://atlanticfreepress.com/news/1/736-cnns-journalism-is-a-fools-paradise.html#comment-984 Of course I would be hopeful that Dr. Dines understood why people are outraged over a miscarriage of justice even if the falsely accused are white rich college atheletes. Her wanting to consult with "activists and academics" (this should be an oxymoron unfortunately it is not)over an issue determined solely by facts rather than notions shows that her interest in the case is only to further her agenda and not to shed any light on the truth of the matter. In a crimminal cases the facts are the begining and end of all issues. Did A rape B ..theories about class, race and sex should be left out of the discussion. Next time Dr. Dines consult with people familiar with the facts. - a guest Sat, 27 Jan 2007 18:28:09 +0100 http://atlanticfreepress.com/news/1/736-cnns-journalism-is-a-fools-paradise.html#comment-963 Can you taste the sarcasm? A few choice emails from Alumn to the college and fewer students can only be the outcome of this. - a guest Fri, 26 Jan 2007 22:26:05 +0100 http://atlanticfreepress.com/news/1/736-cnns-journalism-is-a-fools-paradise.html#comment-949 I'd just like to say that in over a decade of perusing the internet, I've never witnessed an ass-kicking of this magnitude. Ms Dines, you will either have to be a certified fool or arrogant beyond belief not to take some of these critical words to heart. There are just too many, and they can't all be wrong. I would also advise you to stop whining. It's an embarrasment to the femenist/progressive movement. - a guest Thu, 25 Jan 2007 19:08:44 +0100 http://atlanticfreepress.com/news/1/736-cnns-journalism-is-a-fools-paradise.html#comment-947 ack, the link: http://liestoppers.blogspot.com/2007/01/only-race-matters-duke-woman-speaks.html AMac - a guest Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:27:24 +0100 http://atlanticfreepress.com/news/1/736-cnns-journalism-is-a-fools-paradise.html#comment-946 [In her blog entry, Wheelock College professor Gail Dines] did stumble on an important point. Why is a national story of alleged sexual assault treated as a racial issue rather than a gender issue? - a guest Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:25:56 +0100 http://atlanticfreepress.com/news/1/736-cnns-journalism-is-a-fools-paradise.html#comment-931 Dr. Dines, I don't know if you're still reading these comments. I can fully understand if you are not, but on the event that you are, I have one more mental exercise for you to try. Please give it your honest effort; I think you'll find it illuminating. Imagine that the facts of the case, such as they are, were exactly identical, but the races were reversed, with a few other details changed to remain parallel. The black members of a sports team of a college located in a mostly-white town are accused of brutally raping a white stripper. The entire town rises in outrage, "wanted" posters are published with the pictures of all the black members of the team, faculty members publish an open letter thanking the community for not waiting for the wheels of justice to turn before condemning the alleged rapists. Despite the team's protestations of innocence and at least one of the accused's absolutely ironclad, unshakeable alibi, the prosecutor faces a tough primary and is in trouble with the city's white population, and he brings charges. After publicly stating that DNA tests would exonerate the innocent, the prosecutor withholds DNA evidence that would do just that. The accuser's story changes several times, her statements mutually contradict not only each other but the statements of the other stripper at the party, the neighbor, and all the available evidence. Notwithstanding all of this, advocates for whites continue to condemn the men and demand their punishment. I suspect you would be outraged by the above turn of events. So would I. The difference is that my outrage involves no inconsistency, since I would be equally outraged by this set of events as I am by the "real" set of events, which is fundamentally identical but with the races reversed. This is because I, unlike you, am not a racist. I judge all men by the content of their character, not the color of their skin. A pity you do not. - a guest Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:06:21 +0100 http://atlanticfreepress.com/news/1/736-cnns-journalism-is-a-fools-paradise.html#comment-918 [i]"I do believe however that you are misguided in your acceptence of the 'renting' of a female body as one would say, rent a car."[/i] And why is that? Why is there a qualitative difference between paying a person to show up at a certain location and shuffle papers, paying a person to show up at a certain location and scrub toilets, and paying a person to show up at a certain location and remove her clothing? Feminism is supposed to be about [i]choice[/i]. It's supposed to be about [i]removing[/i] restrictions on womens' behavior. If a woman decides that it's to her advantage to trade a gander at her goodies for a pile of cash, who on Earth are [i]you[/i] to forbid her? What gives [i]you[/i] the right to overrule her choice in the matter? Those who scream about "exploitation" are the real anti-feminists; they are the ones who would remove a woman's choice to do as she wishes with her own body. [i]"I do believe that if strippers were given the option to make good money doing other jobs that did not degrade them, most would relish the opportunity."[/i] And if I were given the opportunity to make a million bucks a week playing video games, I'd dump my present employment in a heartbeat. And if most janitors were offered positions as middle managers, they'd jump at the shot, too. Also, if my grandmother had balls, she'd be my grandfather. What is your point? - a guest Wed, 24 Jan 2007 02:20:25 +0100 http://atlanticfreepress.com/news/1/736-cnns-journalism-is-a-fools-paradise.html#comment-917 I cannot believe the vitriol being directed at Dr. Dines here. Don't you people understand? The "accused" in this case are [i]men.[/i] Even worse, they are [i]white[/i] men. Of course they are guilty! It doesn't matter what the so-called "facts" are! White men are responsible for all of the ills in the world; these bastards are not only guilty of a highly-improbable rape, they probably masterminded the Kennedy assassination as well! And the "accuser" ([i]victim[/i], really, is the appropriate term) is a black female, and therefore every word out of her mouth is 100% true, even the words that contradict each other. Little things like logic and consistency are secondary at best when placed against the holy truth that issues forth from the mouths of an African-American female. There is no possibility at all that a member of such a privileged class could ever, ever, [i]ever[/i] tell a lie. Now, on a more serious note: Dr. Dines, I invite you to consider yourself analogous to a mentally-challenged person who can't help but burn buildings to the ground just to enjoy the glow. One would ordinarily feel sorry for a person with such a handicap, but for the tremendous damage he does to innocent people. Similarly, you are to be pitied for your obvious deficiencies, but this is mitigated by the harm people like you inflict on society. I hope that you manage to summon the mental wherewithal to take a deep breath, take a step back from yourself, and take a good long, hard look at what you've become. Try to recognize that people are individuals, they are not groups. Perhaps the following exercise might prove helpful: walk down the street, and each person you see, look at him and think not, "There goes a black female" or "there goes a white man" or "there goes a Latino couple", try instead to think, "There goes a [i]person[/i], a [i]human being[/i] just like myself." You might find the experience productive. - a guest Wed, 24 Jan 2007 02:14:20 +0100 http://atlanticfreepress.com/news/1/736-cnns-journalism-is-a-fools-paradise.html#comment-904 To anyone but a socialist, there is no such thing as a degrading job if it pays well enough. A PhD in gender studies working for minimum wage cleaning toilets at a fast food restaurant. [b]That[/b] might qualify as degrading. - a guest Tue, 23 Jan 2007 06:23:59 +0100 http://atlanticfreepress.com/news/1/736-cnns-journalism-is-a-fools-paradise.html#comment-897 " All work is honest labor and these womaen have as much right to make a living as anyone else" Interesting comentary. I do believe however that you are misguided in your acceptence of the "renting" of a female body as one would say, rent a car. You do an eqlaquent job of highlighting the point I made about the blight on our societies take on human rights. I do believe that if strippers were given the option to make good money doing other jobs that did not degrade them, most would relish the opportunity. - a guest Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:33:39 +0100 http://atlanticfreepress.com/news/1/736-cnns-journalism-is-a-fools-paradise.html#comment-896 The grand jury that indicted the three lacrosse players returned over 80 indictments that same morning. 80. They didn't start until after 10:00, they took a lunch break, and they were done by 2:00. How much careful consideration does that imply? Even casual students of the law know that grand juries serve, for the most part, the role of rubber stamp. - a guest Mon, 22 Jan 2007 20:45:08 +0100 http://atlanticfreepress.com/news/1/736-cnns-journalism-is-a-fools-paradise.html#comment-895 This case is about a false claim of rape - most of us have read the read the motions of the defense and the discovery put out by DA Nifong via NCs open discovery law. This is not a case of hide the pickel. Actually, the guys rented their time - this service for rent at the stripping joint. $400.00 for two hours ( which turned into four minutes) is great money and I can see why strippers do it. That is why I am not disturbed by "renting the time of a stripped." I think they would have been better showing a stripping film. At least the strippers would have been good looking and professional. All work is honest labor and these womaen have as much right to make a living as anyone else. - a guest Mon, 22 Jan 2007 20:20:06 +0100 http://atlanticfreepress.com/news/1/736-cnns-journalism-is-a-fools-paradise.html#comment-894 As individual citizens who are commenting to this article, I find it amusing how so many are responding as though they themselves have reviewed the evidence. I sincerely doubt that any one who has commented above has actual first hand knowledge or experience with the case being discussed. As such, would it not be considerably more constructive to view the big picture this case paints? It is essential to understand that this case would not have occurred if not for the initial step of the men seeing objectification of the female body as a form of entertainment. Regardless of who is the victim in the details of the case, the overall incident speaks to something larger. For me, what is most disturbing about this entire situation (and especially the fact that so few find it disturbing) is the reality that this case is about women who were purchased for other's entertainment. This goes beyond the details of the individual case and points to a major blight on our societys take on human rights issues. - a guest Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:40:32 +0100 http://atlanticfreepress.com/news/1/736-cnns-journalism-is-a-fools-paradise.html#comment-893 Women like these two who call rape when, according to all they evidence, no one was, undermines those of us who have actually been victimized. It makes it even more likely that actual rape victims will never tell because they are certain that no one will believe them. As a woman and a feminist...I see these women as the enemy here far more than the men. The men may not have acted in an entirely appropriate manner (the name calling, for example). However, it also does not appear that they lied. These women have-by the hard, factual evidence, been lying. They do not care if they ruin the lives of these men. Why should they? According to our society the poor men were already criminals simply by being white and male-let alone attending college or playing sports. How dare they not be poor, downtrodden or abused! What angers me the most about these women, however, is the fact that they do not care what their lies might do to those who have been through real physical and emotional trauma that actual rape victims face. People like you, Ms. Dines, just aid and abet these women. You claim feminism as a convenient label for your anger that needs to have a victim itself. Facts mean as little-or less-to you than to those who you claim to be far more honest than. People like you are what give feminists a bad name, madam. - a guest Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:16:45 +0100 http://atlanticfreepress.com/news/1/736-cnns-journalism-is-a-fools-paradise.html#comment-892 Maddox steps up to show his ignorance of the case. A disbarred lawyer, he does not even know that there are no transcripts of the Grand Jury proceeding in North Carolina. He wants to review the non existence notes. Well, so do the Duke 3 supporters. Unfortunately, its against state law for the GJ members to tell what went on that day. Naddix chooses not to know that the DAs representatives gave the presentation to the GJ. Maddox is looking for support for his appeal of his disbarrement. - a guest Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:51:44 +0100 http://atlanticfreepress.com/news/1/736-cnns-journalism-is-a-fools-paradise.html#comment-885 As the case in Durham shows, the authorities and the media are desperate to convict a white man of raping a black woman, (a gang of white men would be even better)the fact that none ever have is a huge embarrassment to PC politicians and law enforcement. Many people on the media and law enforcement thought that with the Duke case they had found what they had long been searching for, which was why they were so quick, indeed frantic, to rush to judgement. However, much as they would love to the press and media can not create crimes which have not happened, and uncomfortable as it may be to accept it, in the same was as the profile of the average sole serial killer is white, the profile of the average gang rapist is not white, and it is NOT racist to admit that. We will never solve the rape crisis we have in this country unless we start being honest about it and not telling lies which make us feel more comfortable. All rape victims are equally important, and we must stop ignoring the genuine ones because the race of her attacker does not sit comfortably with out prejudices. - a guest Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:50:16 +0100 http://atlanticfreepress.com/news/1/736-cnns-journalism-is-a-fools-paradise.html#comment-879 The FBI says NO white men have raped black women? Am I the only one who has trouble believing that? Not the idea that none were convicted, so please, don't show me the url again. Just the idea that it hasn't happened is highly unlikely. So what *does* happen if a black woman accuses a white man of rape? Do the people giving Dr. Dines so much hell *honestly* believe that everybody gets a fair shake with the legal system in this country? That a rich man doesn't have a better shot at getting off than a poor one? Is this case supposed to *prove* that justice is somehow always served and our courts are not subject to the same prejudices that the average American holds? - a guest Mon, 22 Jan 2007 07:27:11 +0100 http://atlanticfreepress.com/news/1/736-cnns-journalism-is-a-fools-paradise.html#comment-875 I feel like I'm someone who doesn't understand the punchline. You're upset because you came across as a fool and blame CNN for that? Unless CNN also has editorial control over this article, I'm not sure how they are responsible for you looking like a fool. Just taking a guess, but I'm assuming the segment you were invited to be a part of was about a specific criminal case. Ideology has nothing to do with the facts of the case. Showing up without even a passing acquaintance with the facts of the case under discussion would be more than enough reason not to retain you for further segments. For any serious news outlet, anything less would be journalistic malfeasance. They are a news outlet, not a platform for ideological rants that are divorced from the facts...that's the theory anyway. - a guest Mon, 22 Jan 2007 04:16:38 +0100 http://atlanticfreepress.com/news/1/736-cnns-journalism-is-a-fools-paradise.html#comment-874 In evaluating the piece by Alton H. Maddox copied in #53, try Googling his name (with quotes, thus "Alton H Maddox"). That will tell you plenty about his credibility, and his acquaintance with the truth. - a guest Mon, 22 Jan 2007 03:43:02 +0100 http://atlanticfreepress.com/news/1/736-cnns-journalism-is-a-fools-paradise.html#comment-872 It's not obvious from the above story and comments that CNN was playing any underhanded games. There's a complaint that the Prof. was promised an appearance on two or three segments. Perhaps CNN intended to do that. But after hearing her speak for five minutes, somebody realized that they'd made a mistake, and concentrated on a guest who seemed to have something more interesting to say. Neo-Marxist class/race/gender warfare just isn't that interesting, even to CNN viewers. While I consider CNN despicable in general, I'm not convinced that this a case of network malfeasance. - a guest Mon, 22 Jan 2007 01:36:21 +0100