Comments for Israeli best seller breaks national taboo - Israeli academic and historian says Jewish Nation myth at http://atlanticfreepress.com , comment 1 to 9 out of 9 comments http://atlanticfreepress.com Thu, 09 Feb 2012 15:23:38 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://atlanticfreepress.com/news/1/5564-israeli-best-seller-breaks-national-taboo-israeli-academic-and-historian-says-jewish-nation-myth-.html#comment-6854 Theodor Herzl created Israel to [b]cure[/b] anti-semitism. He misunderstood anti-semitism. The very first comment on this page, by one David Brooks, reveals so much.[quote]...I am pro-Israel, thousands of years of strong anti-semitism... [/quote] No anti-semitism, no Israel. David Brooks didn't tell us whether he was [u]against[/u] anti-semitism. Does the zionist have an identity apart from anti-semitism? Would he be willing for anti-semitism to go away if it meant the end of Israel? The claim of anti-semitism allows zionists to inhabit their own separate moral sphere where murder is not murder, theft is not theft, oppression is not oppression. A zionist can deflect any criticism of the policies of Israel, any at all, with the cry of "anti-semitism". The "anti-semite" is rendered a low person, nay, a non-person - silenced, invisible, separate, apart. Policies of Israel [b]create[/b] hatred. Hatred begets hatred. The zionist, who sees things in his own terms, sees that hatred as "anti-semitism". The zionist is not responsible for anti-semitism, he is the victim only. "Anti-semitism" permits him thus to disconnect himself from responsibilty for the cycle of hatred. Again, he creates his own moral sphere, separate and apart. Ironically, the so-called "anti-semite", is pushed away. Treated as sub-human, upon whom murder and theft are his own fault. A mirror of what originally motivated Herzl. So we find modern Israel. Not a cure for anti-semitism. Theodor Herzl theorized about it's source and posited a solution; today anti-semitism has descended from the realm of ideas and emotions down to a visible, concrete 30 foot scar that snakes across that land. A land that has institutionalized walls, separatism, anti-semitism. [quote]it does not dispute for me the simple reasons I am pro-Israel, thousands of years of strong anti-semitism and no place in the world for a jew to call their own.[/quote] - Jag Pop Tue, 28 Oct 2008 18:01:19 +0100 http://atlanticfreepress.com/news/1/5564-israeli-best-seller-breaks-national-taboo-israeli-academic-and-historian-says-jewish-nation-myth-.html#comment-6845 Hate the Jews? Maybe the 10 Commandments have everything to do with the messenger and his self inflicted alienation. Brave hearts!! - Wayne Tue, 28 Oct 2008 16:24:42 +0100 http://atlanticfreepress.com/news/1/5564-israeli-best-seller-breaks-national-taboo-israeli-academic-and-historian-says-jewish-nation-myth-.html#comment-6842 I read the Yellow Pages. You should see what it says there. - Dave Green Tue, 28 Oct 2008 15:28:29 +0100 http://atlanticfreepress.com/news/1/5564-israeli-best-seller-breaks-national-taboo-israeli-academic-and-historian-says-jewish-nation-myth-.html#comment-6806 how about the quotes from the Talmud telling Jews of their 'responsibility' to cheat non Jews.... to steal and cheat them? I think anti semitism [especially after 9/11] is a moral imperative. -- sorry... I just don't like them. and I fear Jews and their power over our government - georgann marks Mon, 27 Oct 2008 18:08:29 +0100 http://atlanticfreepress.com/news/1/5564-israeli-best-seller-breaks-national-taboo-israeli-academic-and-historian-says-jewish-nation-myth-.html#comment-6797 What is it about the Jews that makes everyone persecute them? Possibly the "we are the chosen people and your not" line just is not a great way to make frineds. - Daniel Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:48:31 +0100 http://atlanticfreepress.com/news/1/5564-israeli-best-seller-breaks-national-taboo-israeli-academic-and-historian-says-jewish-nation-myth-.html#comment-6788 The Spanish hated the Jews and sought to convert, murder and exile them. Also the Russians. And the Ukranians. And the Arabs, in many countries. Can it happen in the Americas? Could. There is certainly a strain of anti-Semitism in many countries in the Americas. As for the Palestinians and Arabs in neighboring countries, if they would try to live in peace with Israel, they would not have lost the lands they did, and would not be in exile. - Danny Ross Mon, 27 Oct 2008 13:12:34 +0100 http://atlanticfreepress.com/news/1/5564-israeli-best-seller-breaks-national-taboo-israeli-academic-and-historian-says-jewish-nation-myth-.html#comment-6773 David, come to America... you've got family here. - Shii Mon, 27 Oct 2008 03:20:00 +0100 http://atlanticfreepress.com/news/1/5564-israeli-best-seller-breaks-national-taboo-israeli-academic-and-historian-says-jewish-nation-myth-.html#comment-6767 If there's no historical reason, then how do you justify throwing people out of their homes a couple of generations ago? You can't just say, "We have no place to call our own, so we'll leave our homes, go somewhere else, and throw out the people who live there." Without the historical background, there would be no justification for treating the "Palestinians" as animals. - Tom Human Mon, 27 Oct 2008 02:17:10 +0100 http://atlanticfreepress.com/news/1/5564-israeli-best-seller-breaks-national-taboo-israeli-academic-and-historian-says-jewish-nation-myth-.html#comment-6761 as a jew who is very pro-Israel (but not absolutist about it) there is nothing inherently troubling in this historical account. it does not dispute for me the simple reasons I am pro-Israel, thousands of years of strong anti-semitism and no place in the world for a jew to call their own. it also does not dispute that Israel and Jerusalem have always been the spiritual home of the jewish people. after that, it is all about how to get there fairly and appropriately. the only "taboo" or "myth" that gets questioned here is that "g-d gave Israel to the jewish people". in my view over 90% of jewish supporters of Israel have never believed this explicitly any more than other bits of biblical litereral interpretation like creation or the parting of the red sea. - david brooks Sun, 26 Oct 2008 16:22:05 +0100