Comments for Secede from the United States? at http://atlanticfreepress.com , comment 1 to 7 out of 7 comments http://atlanticfreepress.com Thu, 09 Feb 2012 17:51:29 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://atlanticfreepress.com/news/1/2513-secede-from-the-united-states.html#comment-9398 If you will spread like pellets of a shotgun, how could/would you resist the BRIC expansion? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRIC http://www.investopedia.com/terms/b/bric.asp - AXWZ Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:55:05 +0100 http://atlanticfreepress.com/news/1/2513-secede-from-the-united-states.html#comment-7604 I've never before in my life considered this, but now I do. Daily. What's interesting is that this desire is coming from both the "left" and the "right" of the political spectrum (though I find it interesting that the "left" was talking more about secession during the Bush years, and yet they have lashed out against more recent suggestions from Alaska and Texas, which are more rightist secessionist movements). In any case, I'm all for peaceful (if possible) secession from the United States. The federal government has become a disaster. The splitting of the current United States into separate sovereign nations is not a bad idea at all. In fact there would be an opportunity for a sense competition among different economic and political models. Each state, of course, must be prepared to defend itself against outside aggression because there will be (at least) the federal government that will seek to aggress against these secessionist states (as it has clearly demonstrated its willingness to do against OTHER sovereign nations). But also against neighboring states/nations that may feel compelled to exert their authoritarian and coercive tendencies. It seems there's always SOMEONE that feels compelled to impose their will upon SOMEONE else. I am actively looking for an opportunity that seems realistically achievable in my lifetime. For the first time ever, I believe there's a real possibility of (and I hope for) a New American Revolution. - C Fri, 20 Mar 2009 23:33:24 +0100 http://atlanticfreepress.com/news/1/2513-secede-from-the-united-states.html#comment-7571 i hate political correctness - disguisted Tue, 17 Mar 2009 08:40:29 +0100 http://atlanticfreepress.com/news/1/2513-secede-from-the-united-states.html#comment-7568 i would just like to live in a country with freedom of religion and freedom from multi racial and multicultural problems - disguisted Tue, 17 Mar 2009 08:38:15 +0100 http://atlanticfreepress.com/news/1/2513-secede-from-the-united-states.html#comment-7445 Greetings, My initial edit post to wickipedia was deleted because I had included URL's to my own site. That's a nono when such URL's are black listed by wickipedia, in advance. So far, the edit below remains on site. For how long?????? ==Information=== PROJECT GAMMA: A highly secret Special Forces unit, known as Project Gamma, was responsible for conducting anti-Sihanouk intelligence operations inside Cambodia before [Prince] Sihanouk's ousterHersh, Seymour M.,The Price of Power, Kissinger in the Nixon White House, Summit Books, 1983, paper, Cambodia: The Coup p175; ISBN 10: 0671447602. Project Gamma, formally listed as Detachment B57, Fifth Special Forces Group in South Vietnam, used members of the Khmer Serei and the Khmer Kampuchean Krom in its activities inside Cambodia. One member of B57, Captain John J. McCarthy, Jr. was court-martialed in T968 [1968] and sentenced to hard labor for life for killing a Khmer Serei operative believed to be a double agent. McCarthy's conviction was reversed in 1971, after an appeals hearing in Washington in which the Army warned that public disclosure of evidence in the case would damage national security. An official Army history of the Green Berets, published after the Vietnam War Kelly, Francis John (1972) History of Special Forces in Vietnam, 1961-1971. Center for Military History, Department of the Army, Washington, D.C. http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/BOOKS/Vietnam/90-23/90-23C.htm, does not mention Project GAMMA or Detachment B57. Although the Pentagon has declassified much material about Green Beret crossborder operations inside Laos and Cambodia, nothing on Project Gamma has been made available. Seals, Bob (2007) The "Green Beret Affair": A Brief Introduction, militaryhistoryonline.com http://www.militaryhistoryonline.com/20thCentury/articles/greenberets.aspx Current updates on the reference to McCarthy, above, can be viewed by Googeling the following: "John McCarthy CIA". Note: Project Gamma, B-57, was a Military Intelligence effort posing as Special Forces to hide their association with operational control by CIA at the US Embassy in Saigon. The USARV Command in Vietnam DID NOT have the authority for directing cross border operations into Cambodia using Khmer Serei forces during the time in question. On the contrary, LBJ had issued presidential directives to the National Security Council that forbade support for any Khmer Serei activities including the assassination of the Prince, now King, Norodom Sihanouk. LBJ directed that letters to this effect be hand carried to the President of South Vietnam, the King of Thailand and Sihanouk himself. This directive was issued in June, 1966. McCarthy was assigned to Project Cherry as Case Officer in September 1967, unwittingly part of the treachery of the NSC's blatant disregard for LBJ's directives. That is why the Pentagon has not issued unit history on Project Gamma, B-57. That is why LBJ announced in March, 1968, that he "...would not seek nor accept my parties nomination for a second term as your president". LBJ had discovered the treachery of his closest advisers. - John McCarthy Wed, 18 Feb 2009 00:06:10 +0100 http://atlanticfreepress.com/news/1/2513-secede-from-the-united-states.html#comment-3719 Bill Poovey (AP) reports that its more likely that terrorists would bomb the red states, as if this is incentive to secede....I wonder if Bill has covered the voting habits of N.Y. voters for the last several decades. - smarter than bill poovey Thu, 22 Nov 2007 02:57:23 +0100 http://atlanticfreepress.com/news/1/2513-secede-from-the-united-states.html#comment-3141 Several States Are Discussing Secession From The United States October 4th, 2007 · 1 Comment When you read the headline of this brief story, it’s reminiscent of what occurred prior to the beginning of the Civil War. The news came as a surprise to me, as I wasn’t aware there was a “Secessionist” movement in the United States, but there it is, right before your eyes. What’s even more startling are the reasons the states wish to dissolve their partnership with the Union, and some of it actually makes sense: Secessionists meeting in Tennessee By BILL POOVEY, Associated Press WriterWed Oct 3, 3:15 AM ET In an unlikely marriage of desire to secede from the United States, two advocacy groups from opposite political traditions — New England and the South — are sitting down to talk. Tired of foreign wars and what they consider right-wing courts, the Middlebury Institute wants liberal states like Vermont to be able to secede peacefully. That sounds just fine to the League of the South, a conservative group that refuses to give up on Southern independence. MORE When you look at the reasons for which they want to secede, it’s crystal clear that many of them/us are tired of living under oppression; These are a few of the reasons cited: save themselves from an overbearing federal government. If allowed to go their own way, New Englanders “probably would allow abortion and have gun control,” Hill said, while Southerners “would probably crack down on illegal immigration harder than it is being now.” a fringe movement that gained new traction because of the Iraq war, rising oil prices and the formation of several pro-secession groups. disillusioned by the Iraq war and federal imperialism, share the idea of states becoming independent republics. Right now, they are labeled as “fringe groups”, but as government oppression grows stronger, their membership and supporters are growing, and it’s a concept I had never thought about before. Now, after reading the article, I’ve given it some serious thought - and while it’s as radical an idea of any I’ve heard, what better way to send Congress and President Bush/Cheney a message that will come across loud and clear! The general public is sick and tired of an ultra-conservative government that is bent on imperialism, believe in infringing on their own citizens freedoms and rights, and have driven the nation close to bankruptcy. Now that it’s obvious we have an ultra right-wing Supreme Court dominated by right-wing justices, Americans can expect a further erosion of their rights, and a Court that believes in unfettered Presidential power rather than the principles this country was based upon; The separation of church and state is dead, and whether we like it or not, the coming opinions from the SCOTUS will no doubt restrict our lives and freedoms even more, even though many of us don’t share those same right-wing radical Christian values, their morality will be shoved down our throats whether we like it or not! The U.S. was talking about partitioning Iraq, and if they view that as “a budding democracy”, then what the President believes is good enough for the Iraqis should be good enough for America! Can you imagine being able to move to a state where the right-wing Christians had no voice? Neo-conservatives would relocate to the states that were pro-Bush, and the the radical Christians and Neo-conservatives would be able to impose their will on anyone in the state they chose to - and the rest of us could live in freedom and peace… Imagine the individual states building their own economies, and if corporate America wanted a piece of the pie, they would have to reinvest in that state rather than outsourcing everything to countries that will work for peanuts that are breaking the American economy. It’s ironic, but if we allowed all of the right-wing warmongers and fundamentalists to have their own states, when terrorists struck - it would probably be in those areas inhabited by the hate-mongers rather than bombing innocent Americans. Imagine a state completely inhabited by right-wing Christians; they could censor everything, bash gays (who would quickly relocate to liberal states) until ultimately, all they will have to censor or criticize is themselves. You have to wonder where the Mega-Preachers will find their hookers in such a society, but in that regard, maybe they’ll pass a law or make it an 11th Commandment that thou shalt share your wife with the pastor… Oh, and they could make the 10% tithing mandatory, on top of the regular state taxes, and the American Taliban would grow and flourish, until ultimately, many began to flee to the free states, remembering how sweet freedom really was, and leave the fanatics to their own. They might even return to true Christianity, all of whom would be welcomed by Liberal and Progressive states. It’s those who wish to impose their ideology on others that we are trying to get away from, but true Christians are a boon to any society! It’s a shame the right-wing fanatics have forgotten the concepts of loving thy neighbor, helping the poor, and the Golden Rule… It’s obvious they have lost their way, and we aren’t going to change them, so why not let them live among themselves, instead of poisoning the rest of society? When you really look at the teachings of Jesus Christ, he was without doubt a “liberal” - and even in today’s society of radical Christianity, someone of Christ’s stature wound now be labeled a “leftist” or “coward.” Can you imagine Jesus trying to preach peace in this society? I have no doubt the radicals and our government would label him as an impostor; how else could they fight their wars and steal from the poor and Middle-class? I know it sounds crazy, and it will probably never happen, as corporatism, the religious-right and Neo-cons would start a civil war before they let anyone enjoy the freedom and liberty we are entitled to - but nevertheless, it doesn’t hurt to dream. Take a minute to think about the concept of being able to move your family just a few hundred miles and be free again, while still enjoying the homeland of our forefathers… Maybe we should all give the Secessionist Movement more than a second glance; it may never work, but if states actually tried to secede from the United States, I can’t think of any better way to send a message to this President and Congress that if they don’t get their act together, they may be governing themselves! William Cormier UPDATE: Today, when I returned from the Dr.’s Office, I found this on BUZZFLASH. Like I said, we can expect a right-wing Supreme Court to impose their morality on the general population: Court Leaves Ala. Sex Toy Ban Intact Oct 1, 3:57 PM (ET) By PHILLIP RAWLS MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) - The U.S. Supreme Court declined Monday to hear a challenge to Alabama’s ban on the sale of sex toys, ending a nine-year legal battle and sending a warning to store owners to clean off their shelves. An adult-store owner had asked the justices to throw out the law as an unconstitutional intrusion into the privacy of the bedroom. But the Supreme Court declined to hear the appeal, leaving intact a lower court ruling that upheld the law. Sherri Williams, owner of Pleasures stores in Huntsville and Decatur, said she was disappointed, but plans to sue again on First Amendment free speech grounds. LINK Why does the State of Alabama or the Supreme Court have to dictate their morality on a population that is used to freedom? Aren’t they aware we withstand much of their waste and mis-management because its become part of our free society, but take away the freedom, and what’s left? JAC A special comment from John McCarthy: Greetings, Bill Surprisingly, it has taken a very long time to recognize the dis-united states of Amerika and do something about it. Those interested in a movement to abolish this irreparably sick dis-union should seek the methods (and reasons) by which the Soviet Union was dissolved. It worked for them so why not employ the same methods? Our three sections of government are so corrupt; we have no hope of retrieving what our forefathers envisioned when they wrote the Constitution and the Declaration. The Executive Department is not only out of control, the President refers to the Constitution as “just another goddamn piece of paper” which violates HIS oath of office. The continuing threats to preemptively attack another sovereign nation with nuclear weapons has destabilized the entire world which puts us in a position to be nuked ourselves. Enough! As a combat veteran I swore to uphold that same oath for defending the Constitution of the US. No one has relieved me of that oath. The Declaration of Independence provides us with the means by which we can remove a president from office who violates his oath of office. Failing that, our only recourse is to dis-unionize. The Judiciary is stacked with right wing yes men who are serving at the pleasure of the President who appointed (anointed) him in 2000. The last two Attorney Generals of the USA have committed crimes against the nation and should face criminal court. AG Ashcroft and Senators Kyl and Shelby were notified of acts of treason and failed to notify a Federal Judge or the President which is Misprision of Felony. We citizens have no recourse. The Congress has passed the Patriot Act One and Two (nearly verbatim of the German Enabling Act of 1933 after the Reichstag Fire) which has neutered the Bill of Rights re habeas corpus, and none of the signatories read the act before signing. No one had the foresight to see the day when any citizen could be locked up without charges or legal representation! And all of this came about AFTER 911. None of the alleged ‘terrorists’ names appeared on the manifest of any aircraft hijacked on 911. The FBI Chief of Counter Terror recently was asked by a reporter why poster of the ten most wanted which carried Osama bin Laden’s name did not carry wanted information for the attacks on the WTC and Pentagon on 911. The response from the FBI Agent was that there is no direct evidence linking Osama to any event on 911. This begs the question: Why are we in Afghanistan?! In 2003 the Japanese International War Crimes Tribunal in Tokyo indicted George Bush for War Crimes for dropping over 250 tons of Depleted Uranium (DU) on Afghanistan. The DoD has followed orders from the POTUS in violation of the Nuremberg Findings which the USA signed in 1950 by preemptively attacking two sovereign nations that did not attack us which makes everyone participating member of the Armed Forces a WAR CRIMINAL as expressed at the International War Crimes Trial in Nuremberg in 1946. President Truman appointed Supreme Court Justice Robert Jackson as the US Representative to the Nuremberg International War Crimes Tribunal who opening remarks to the jury included: “The standards by which we judge these defendants’s today are the standards by which we shall be judged tomorrow.” Then we hanged them. Tomorrow is today! http://johnmccarthy90066.tripod.com Retraction: One thing I’m dead set against is disinformation, whether it be from the Rethuglicans, who usually spin the truth and lie when it serves their purpose, and especially us that are attempting to bring-back accountability to government. I erroneously stated that Bush was in support of Partitioning Iraq; evidently I erred on that remark, which was pointed-out by Jr. On CampusProgress.net. (Post on that forum and you better have your facts correct! :) ) For now, it’s Democrats as well as Republicans who are making mistakes in regard Iraq policy, and President Bush has done enough on his own without having me falsely, albeit accidentally, stating that he was in favor of partitioning Iraq. I will edit the original article in the AM. JAC - a guest Fri, 05 Oct 2007 23:55:55 +0100