Comments for Rightwing Nuts Stay Delusional on Plame at http://atlanticfreepress.com , comment 1 to 5 out of 5 comments http://atlanticfreepress.com Thu, 09 Feb 2012 18:06:36 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://atlanticfreepress.com/news/1/1702-rightwing-nuts-stay-delusional-on-plame.html#comment-2312 Larry, Glad to see you still making an impact. If Tom is such a twit, then why waste your time with him? Project much? Tom and the posters at JOM have been following this case since day one and have covered the minutiae in excruciating detail. That he/they reach some conclusions different than "professional" intel folks such as yourself should not be surprising. I've seen you make some critical comments regarding the military conduct of the war. How much time, exactly, have you spent in uniform? Not a fair criticism? Based upon your exacting standards wrt TM, I'd say we should dismiss any criticisms made by you not related to your area of expertise out of hand. What are your mental health qualifications? Somehow you were able to diagnose the reasons for a tragic suicide and attribute them to a Rove personality disorder. Remarkable. When nitpicking an argument, I'd suggest leading with a stronger criticism than "Onslee"-Inslee. You might have noticed the "I" and "O" keys reside adjacent to one another on a standard keyboard. As a highly trained intel specialist, surely you aren't attributing to to shoddy fact-gathering (or malice) that which could just as easily have been a typo. I expect better from someone with your pedigree. Your dismissal of Plame's status not being mentioned in the CIA summary is laughable. Your statement that she was undoubtedly covered under IIPA is unsupported by anything produced to date by Fitzgerald. But "he said so!" (in the sentencing phase). Please. Val couldn't/wouldn't even answer the question herself in front of congress. The CIA refuses to answer to this day. But if Fitz and you say so, well then, it must be so. Please answer a couple of questions. If she was/is covered under IIPA, then why is Richard Armitage not in jail? Novak? Why was no one prosecuted (let alone convicted) under the statute? The pursuit of Libby was a Potemkin prosecution and you know it. And I'm not a defender of the man. If he lied, he should be punished. But his conviction on a process crime in no way vindicates Val or your pal Joe Wilson. Or does the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence having branded him a liar in 2004 count for nothing? The question(s) raised by Maguire and others are legitimate. To my knowledge, no one on his site has ever suggested, for example, that it would be a good idea to drown people (American citizens) they happen to disagree with politically. Or criminalize political differences. Where do you stand on waterboarding KSM? Let me guess, your against it. But drowning TM? Nifty! You say the CIA is not stupid. I'm inclined to agree but there are numerous instances going back over 5 decades where they have been incredibly inept and wrong. That's just the nature of the business. But, thanks in large part to folks like yourself, the Agency is incredibly political these days. And wearing political blinders can lead to stupid acts, like publishing terrorist counter-measures on the front page of the NYT's. Where do you stand on that? - a guest Tue, 12 Jun 2007 05:04:30 +0100 http://atlanticfreepress.com/news/1/1702-rightwing-nuts-stay-delusional-on-plame.html#comment-2294 EVEN BEFORE MR. FITZGERALD PRESENTED THE RECENT CIA FACTS TO THE COURT ANYONE WHO HAD AN INTEREST IN THE SINCERITY OF THE INVESTIGATION WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THE LOGIC OF THE CASE PRESENTED HAD AT LEAST SOME STRENGTH. I STILL THINK ALL THE WEIGHT OF EVIDENCE, ESPECIALLY THAT OF CIA LAYERS WHO REGULARLY CHECK THIS COVERT STUFF OUT, WAS IN FAVOR OF THE SPECIAL COUNCIL. CIA NEW SHE WAS COVERT AND I AM SURE THAT THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT WHEN THEY RECEIVED THE COMPLAINT FROM THE CIA FURTHER CHECKED THE LAW AND MADE SURE THE LAW APPLIED TO HER. THE PRESIDENT AND HIS ASSISTANTS SURELY HAD IT LOOKED INTO BEFORE HE MADE HIS 2 TV REQUESTS FOR AN INVESTIGATION OF LEAKERS. IN ADDITION ASHCROFT PERSONALLY SUPERVISED IT FOR OVER 5 MONTHS BEFORE TURNING IT OVER TO THE SPECIAL COUNCIL AND HE WOULD NOT HAVE WASTED HIS PERSONAL TIME AND JUSTICE DEPARTMENT MONEY WITH OUT FIRST MAKING SURE MS. PLAME WAS COVERED BY THE LAW AT THE TIME OF THE LEAK. IT WAS HANDLED CAREFULLY. - a guest Thu, 07 Jun 2007 00:26:01 +0100 http://atlanticfreepress.com/news/1/1702-rightwing-nuts-stay-delusional-on-plame.html#comment-2292 Today on NPR, the talking heads were going at it about Libby and etc. A dextro-apologist said Libby shouldn't go to jail, partly because "there was no underlying crime" and the phony bromide TP that she just had a "desk job." The liberal counterpart didn't snap back with the sort of points you are making about the CIA 's own reports, etc., but rejoined with a whiny mutter about "not everyone agrees about that" or similar. tyrannogenius - a guest Wed, 06 Jun 2007 18:59:38 +0100 http://atlanticfreepress.com/news/1/1702-rightwing-nuts-stay-delusional-on-plame.html#comment-2288 This is just basic propaganda / nothing stupid; You can invent the biggest lie, repeat it over and over again, and "people" will believe it. Why? 1) "We" are funny animals, and "we" studied ourself, in order to find ways to manipulate others into Zombies, sorry, I mean "consumers" of everything, goods or a "democracy". "We" then called it "marketing" or "public relationships". The original name was "propaganda", but because "we" used it to vilify our enemies, who were applying the same techniques, Mr. Edward Bernays had to find a new name. So he came up with "public relationship", a term still used today, but meaning the same. => So, there are well known, accepted techniques, teaching how to manipulate people, everybody can learn and use, even maggots like Maguire. 2) Almost everything, on a daily basis, reminds us, that we are only "consumers". So, if we are consumers, then "we" must also propagate the idea of having "experts" or "producers". This is done by corporate media. So shit-heads like Maguire and similar, are only doing what others are doing, on a daily basis, exploiting the docile consumers / Zombies, humans reduced to parrots, unable to think, to reason and to act. => So, there is a substantial market for the above techniques. This is a known fact, one has to live with today. 3) Lunatics like Maguire wouldn't bother anybody ... if it wasn't for their supported media presence. Normally, lunatics are removed from the streets, if they become a threat to the public. Today, the elite is seeking and supporting figures like him, and just because of that, he gets mentioned here. => The enemy of public interest is not Maguire. Like Bush, he is just "a" facade. Finally, acting people are repressed with brutal police violence. The system doesn't care, if your acting is based on higher values, truth, higher ethical standards, etc... What counts are economic values and behind Maguire there are big economic values. So nobody can go out and just do the natural-thing, and beat-up all the fuckers, financially supporting this lying idiot. /ricky - a guest Wed, 06 Jun 2007 09:01:34 +0100 http://atlanticfreepress.com/news/1/1702-rightwing-nuts-stay-delusional-on-plame.html#comment-2280 Brother Larry Johnson, just today I called my representative to ask for assistance since we live in Texas and our Senators are Republicans, not senators and that we needed to start getting the record straight about both Val Wilson, and the Niger papers, especially the Gen. Nicolo Pollari-Hadley-Cheney connections. I expressed my dismay that even a citizen like myself can call Congress, CIA press office, and USDOJ to get documents that are public record now. Even I don't have to speculate a damn thing about this case because enough has been published to clearly show that Val Wilson was covert, covered, outed for political laziness and revenge, and then they lied, ditched and dodged it. I've been reassured by the House Oversight Committee that this investigation isn't over. I've called, and encourage others to call, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, and others to ask... 1. "Why is it after all that has been published...Brit Hume at FoxNews, Byron York at National Review, and the cryptkeeper Robert Novak are still lying about Val Plame?" 2. " Why is Sen. Christopher Bond still allowed to be on the taxpayer's dole while openly slandering Valerie Wilson, an outed agent, by accusing her of giving false testimony even though the memo he cites clearly states someone else is initiating the suggestion?" 3. "Why isn't Cheney being focused on when we know he was the orchestrator of this operation?" 4. "When are you going to do your job and get the truth out there instead of following Paris Hilton to jail?" Bye Lewis Libby, I hope Walton gives you all you deserve. And Larry, see you around the web...thanks again Tom, i'll debate you any time you wish. - a guest Tue, 05 Jun 2007 10:12:55 +0100