Comments for God Doesn't Follow the Law - How irrational love of religion in the U.S. fosters lawless religionists at http://atlanticfreepress.com , comment 1 to 8 out of 8 comments http://atlanticfreepress.com Fri, 10 Feb 2012 00:04:02 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://atlanticfreepress.com/news/1/1175-god-doesnt-follow-the-law-how-irrational-love-of-religion-in-the-us-fosters-lawless-religionists.html#comment-1658 One last thing. Freedom of Religion is not Freedom to abuse others civil and human rights. It is not Freedom to decide the laws don't apply to you just because some Sci Fi writer said so in a paper. Freedom of Religion does not give anyone the right to "dispose of quiety and without sorrow" ( L.R. Hubbard quote) anyone who dares to speak out against you. JeraldR - a guest Thu, 15 Mar 2007 02:49:18 +0100 http://atlanticfreepress.com/news/1/1175-god-doesnt-follow-the-law-how-irrational-love-of-religion-in-the-us-fosters-lawless-religionists.html#comment-1657 Funny how the sites you listed to prove scientology is a religion are ALL scientology sites. The largest independent and internationally credentialed disaster relief organization in the world? Who acredetialed them? The disaster relief methods used in the program were all developed by L Ron Hubbard and are now taught by police, firemen, military??? Can you name the police dept, fire dept and please tell us which goverments military is using programs developed by Hubbard? I would love to see the answers to the above question's as I bet the would the other readers here. As for the links, let me list a couple. xenu.net and xenutv.com are great links to see the dark side of scientology. - a guest Thu, 15 Mar 2007 02:44:02 +0100 http://atlanticfreepress.com/news/1/1175-god-doesnt-follow-the-law-how-irrational-love-of-religion-in-the-us-fosters-lawless-religionists.html#comment-1656 In is fact that our founding Fathers were devote christian men seeking to secure a foundation for a more christian society. As the Declaration of Independance was being signed by the members of the Continental Congress on August 2, 1776, Samuel Adams declared: "We have this day restored the Sovereignty to Whom all men ought to be obedient. He reins in heaven and from the rising to the setting of the sun, let His kingdom come." John Adams in writing to his wife Abigail on the Declaration, dated July 3, 1776: "I am apt to believe that it will be celebrated by succeeding generations as the great anniversary Festival. It ought to be commemorated, as the day of deliverance, by solemn acts of devotion to Almighty God." Further, the Declaration of Independance itself: "...they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights:" The Declaration of Independance, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights were all written in accord with the Laws of God. It is irresponsible and misleading to state that true religion creates anything but a more humane society. The founding fathers knew it to be true. Founding Father Dr. John Witherspoon: "God grant that in America true religion and civil liberty may be inseperable." "In free states where people have the supreme power in their own hands and must be consulted on all great matters, if there be a general corruption of morals, there can be nothing but confusion. So true is this that civil liberty cannot long be preserved without virtue." James Madison, Cheif Archiitect of the Constitution: "We have staked the whole future of American civilization not on the power of government. Far from it! We have staked the future of all of our political institutions upon the capacity of Mankind for self-government; upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, and to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." William Penn wrote: "Those who will not be governed by God will be ruled by tyrants." The erosion and decline of America began with the instution of the Federal Reserve, when the American government was handed to a few very rich men (bankers). Continued with the false interpetation of one of Thomas Jefferson papers and the US Supreme Court in 1947 declared that a wall must exist between the Church and the State. When the Church up to that point had always been a driving force in American politics, and in those times America prospered, florished, and was a safe place to live and raise children. From this point on America has been dissolving into a Godless society becoming increasingly overrun by godless lawless men. The Federal Reserve in control of OUR money, yes, it is monies that belong to the American citizens, have destroyed our way of life and security. Mother's had to leave home to work leaving our young unguided. Crime from that point on in our history has not just risen but has exploded! Again in 1962 Our US Supreme Courts failed society out lawing prayer in school. In 1963 outlawing Bible reading, Justice Potter Stewart, the lone dissenting vote said, that the ruling had not led to a true neutrality with respect to religion but rather to the "establishment of a religion of secularism." Two days after the establishment of secularism the Wall Street Journal commented that atheism was now "the beleif to which the state's power will extend its protection. In 1980 outlawing of the Ten Commandments. It is documented that since 1962 Aptitude Scores in our schools have fallen, violent crimes have boomed, sexually transmitted diseases have boomed, unwed pregnancies- boomed, divorce rates skyrocketed. Soon the only voice that will have the right to speak will be voices telling us that God is a lie, therefore our Constitution, and Bill of Rights are also lies. The Patriot Act has taken away more of our Rights laid out by our Founding Fathers, good Christian men whom spent hundreds of hours laying out a plan for a new form of government, one that would be Bible based. But, it also left the responsibilty up to the people to be informed and participate in government, to make sure that the Constitution and Bill of Rights were being upheld by government officials. Unfortunately, this is where we have failed, and it started with the so-called seperation of Church and State. Remember all three documents are to be treated as a whole outline for our government. The definition of religion was stated in the Declaration of Independance and therefore, was not needed to be drawn out and explained further in the other two documents. AEM, concerned American Citizen PS an important book for all American to read: Abandonment Theology: An Action Guide to Save America, by John W. Chalfant Endorsed by Robert E. Wilson, National Chairman, Wake Up America Read the Declaration and it is self evident thet the men who wrote it were very concerned with writing a piece that would clearly define a government that was based on the laws of God for society. - a guest Thu, 15 Mar 2007 00:37:42 +0100 http://atlanticfreepress.com/news/1/1175-god-doesnt-follow-the-law-how-irrational-love-of-religion-in-the-us-fosters-lawless-religionists.html#comment-1653 . . . by Ecclesiastical Bodies have not sufficiently engaged attention in the U.S." You can say that again. Another comprehensive piece of journalism by Christopher Ketcham. Meanwhile, anybody want to open a storefront church with me? - Russell Wellen Wed, 14 Mar 2007 18:14:35 +0100 http://atlanticfreepress.com/news/1/1175-god-doesnt-follow-the-law-how-irrational-love-of-religion-in-the-us-fosters-lawless-religionists.html#comment-1652 No wonder that such a number of crimes and injustices happen under these two US Constitution Amendment: the first and the second. Indeed, the first contains a major problem: there is nowhere a definition of religion in the US constitution or laws. That's how simili-religions tue scams found their ways up the Supreme Court, like Ron Hubbard's fraudulous system did. The second is less sinny: it's only problem comes from the period when it was voted: here in Europe, most people would find ridicule to accumulate weapons in (almost) every family. But your excellent article leads to a sad conclusion, when paralleled to these two Amendments, I and II, and to the insane decisions aboutr religions by the two last US presidents. Religion war can happen. Perhaps it could even start by a civil war between US cults: some of them are indeed led by dynastic zillionaire "pastors" or by totalitarian pseudo-idealists measuring their membership by statitics and greedy money pumpings. Too bad. Roger Gonnet, an anticult activist from France. - a guest Wed, 14 Mar 2007 18:03:57 +0100 http://atlanticfreepress.com/news/1/1175-god-doesnt-follow-the-law-how-irrational-love-of-religion-in-the-us-fosters-lawless-religionists.html#comment-1650 Hats off for such an illustration of the public absurdity which is rampant into US Constitution: since the word religion itself has never been defined by the Founding Fathers, it's no surprise that zillionaire US "pastors" can run their flourishing non-democratic and sometimes dynastic quasi-kingdoms toward a religions' war. It could even start by a US civil war, due to the fact that the 2nd amendment adds to such a risk. May I add that the need for weapons could very well be understood in 1791, but quite insane in 2007? Because at length, it's very evident for the french I am that such accumulation of richness, power and greed by those "pastors" can only lead their believers toward such an almost ineluctable end based on these two errors in these 2 amendments of the US constitution: no definition of religion leads to no taxes, and allowance of weapons everywhere by the 2nd amendment. Roger Gonnet, french anticult activist. - a guest Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:43:45 +0100 http://atlanticfreepress.com/news/1/1175-god-doesnt-follow-the-law-how-irrational-love-of-religion-in-the-us-fosters-lawless-religionists.html#comment-1649 I believe in Tax Exemptions for religion, but I do not believe that a church or church charity should be exempt from financial reporting. On the contrary, as people are donating money to these organisations, not only should there be compulsory financial reporting, but the financial reports should be subject to independant auditing and publically posted so we can all see where the money is going. - a guest Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:13:25 +0100 http://atlanticfreepress.com/news/1/1175-god-doesnt-follow-the-law-how-irrational-love-of-religion-in-the-us-fosters-lawless-religionists.html#comment-1646 The world's leading theologians and religious scholars, including Urbano Alonso Galan (Vatican advisor on non-Catholic religions) and Fumio Sawada (leader of Japan's oldest religion, Yu-itsu Shinto) all concluded Scientology was a religion in every aspect. In fact their studies have provided clarity to the subject of what comprises a religion. See: http://www.bonafidescientology.org/Append/07/index.htm Amongst the many free services provided by the Church of Scientology are: The largest independent and internationally credentialed disaster relief organization in the world (it works closely with the Red Cross and the United Nations) is the Scientology Volunteer Ministers program: www.volunteerministers.org The disaster relief methods used in the program were all developed by L Ron Hubbard and are now taught by police, firemen, military, doctors, etc. Hubbard's "The Way to Happiness" (www.TWTH.org) has been praised by religious, political and social leaders and is central to a hugely successful criminal rehabilitation program now in 2,000 prisons: www.criminon.org. www.ScientologyHandbook.org has many "how-to" chapters that help anyone better better understand and learn skills to resolve problems. - a guest Wed, 14 Mar 2007 12:07:22 +0100